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Digital Foundry: PlayStation 5 / Unreal Engine 5 Reaction - Now This Is Next-Gen!
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I'm used to people in gaming comunities acting like ten years olds and console warring over the most embarassing things but shitting up an entire thread over a tech demo of a multiplatform game engine must be one of the lowest points ever.
i'm a cool badass Gamer who earns online cred by being above it all B-)
I don't think you comprehend how much of a big deal that demo was. The Niagara particle system is kinda broken atm on UE4, it's sick but kinda useless because of how buggy it is when compiling your game or packaging it, how much of a pain Light Maps are, the fact that they pulled 8K textures from Quixel, how tedious baking is, the fact that they were able to use those horribly unoptimized yet detailed sculptures, etc
1440/30 - this is fascinating. We thought maybe raytracing would drop resolution, but here we're seeing quite a low resolution as a trade off for global illumination and high quality assets.
Will next gen start at 4k/60 becuase of last gen engines and rapidly move to eg 1440 res as engines get more complex - both systems like UE5 GI and ray tracing etc. Is that potentially a more efficient use of GPU and CPU?
Will next gen start at 4k/60 becuase of last gen engines and rapidly move to eg 1440 res as engines get more complex - both systems like UE5 GI and ray tracing etc. Is that potentially a more efficient use of GPU and CPU?
There isn't anything PS5 specific in this really. It will run on PC and XSX too and probably better.
Depending on how it's been designed at least the flying section at the end may need some compromises made for the XSX depending on how reliant on storage speed this demo is, we don't know.
VR is going to be incredible in the not so far future. I should get a headset soon lmao.
Hold on lol. The final scene where they show true scope of the environment when she come out of the cavern and she flies and fast travel through it is something impossible in current gen. Before that part could be done with less detailed geometry and less impressive lighting, sure.
Also, the detail of the IK aided animation where she interacts with the environment more more precisely is something I haven't seen this gen either.
I don't see how this does anything to hurt Xbox as this is Unreal Engine and the Series X is a beefier console.
This is very impressive. Hilarious to hear the "squeezing through gap" complaints when the demo ends with a 1km aerial sprint from the canyon into the desert portal. Say what you will, but the logo, dualsense and Unreal 5 marketing timing has hit hard on every move. Hopefully the pace picks up from now on.
That's the stuff that I want to see when they introduce their new console hardware.
Impressive and promising.
Impressive and promising.
It doesn't in a practical sense. The only positive for PS5 is that they attached their name to it for marketing.
Let's be real, if this is capable in real time on a PS5 then Hellblade is definitely capable in real time on an XSX. They're not that far off and the XSX is At least as powerful as the PS5.
I think it's just that they chose to demo this on Ps5, that this is press for Ps5. But yes when next gen starts in practice Series X will show it better
Looks really good, but obviously puts things into perspective regarding 4k and 60fps being the new baseline for consoles.
Interesting too that this is running on PS5, which apparently is way behind on marketing vs competition.
Seems the console will be perfectly capable
Interesting too that this is running on PS5, which apparently is way behind on marketing vs competition.
Seems the console will be perfectly capable
counter point to this demo looking great and we'll never see stuff like that in real games becuase this is all a canned, controlled demo.
UE4 on PS4
Modern AAA games look way better than that. Since that UE4 demo we have had big advances in photogrammetry, PBR, temporal upscaling techniques.
As good as the UE5 engine looks (and it looks great) - I fully expect it to look 'bad' as we get to the second half of next gen. Some of the things devs will squeeze out of those consoles will be crazy as they build on existing ideas and iterate on the ideas of others.
UE4 on PS4
Modern AAA games look way better than that. Since that UE4 demo we have had big advances in photogrammetry, PBR, temporal upscaling techniques.
As good as the UE5 engine looks (and it looks great) - I fully expect it to look 'bad' as we get to the second half of next gen. Some of the things devs will squeeze out of those consoles will be crazy as they build on existing ideas and iterate on the ideas of others.
At least? We already know that it is significantly more powerful.
Yes, but the UE4 Elemental demo for last gen got a downgrade in order to run real time on PS4. DF even did a comparison showing it.
Obviously, it's a bit different here since they're claiming it's running on console hardware from the get go.
Regardless, I'm very glad that pop-in is seemingly going to be a thing of the past. I wish they could've demoed the tech it on a more intimate scale. The prospect of having smaller objects in scenes modeled at much higher fidelity without a framerate is exciting.
like a lot of us have been saying - reconstruction allows these kinds of graphics at close enough to 4K. That is the future.
I would take this at reconstructed 4K/30 over what we saw at the Xbox reveal at 4K/60 any day of the week.
I'm being conservative as we have not really seen much real time next gen graphics from the XSX yet.
It's not so much complaining but rather ... why even have the squeeze through gap moment? The moment I saw that, I winced as it was a reminder of how current console CPU and SSDs have caused big budget games to be bogged down by a ton of squeeze-through moments. Having it part of the tech demo when it's not necessary with the hardware (as evidenced by the aerial sprint) was just a baffling design decision for the tech demo. I'm not complaining about it, I'm just confused. The squeeze-through is the textbook "mask the loading" moment of the current gen. WHY include that? Again, no complaint from me. Just confusion.
What epic said:
So they vaguely implied the level of detail only possibly on PS5... but then said it's all possible in general on PC/XSX but have no performance comparisons.
Sweeney honestly kind of sounded like they hadn't tested on XSX.
And there's still the question of whether it's realistic to expect twice the detail on PS5 considering what that will do to game sizes.. and the fact that a demo with no enemies on screen or AI running was 30FPS1440P most of the time as is...
I think thats inescapable when XB first party teams have historically pushed Unreal to new places. Its going to brought up in a thread about next gen Unreal on a similarly spec'd machine.
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I would like to play that Uncharted/Tomb Raider/Prince of Persia game. Always exciting when the new consoles are coming.
I think you must have quoted the wrong person or something? Everything in this demo looked great to me technically. If you did mean to quote me and are referring to me downplaying the quality of the gameplay I don't mean to say that that last section is possible on last Gen or anything, just that theggameplay before that could be in any unchartedoor tomb raider that currently exists. Also, the last part where the character is flying looked great technically, but I don't think that part was so much gameplay as interactive cutscene. Could you imagine trying to actually control the flight at that speed and land on the incredibly small areas they did? No way would someone actually design that as a gameplay section unless interaction was very limited or you were just flying high above all that geometry and didn't have a chance of interacting in the way that was shown.
Everyone's talking about the graphics technology but did anyone else get a great impression on the spatial and directional audio in this? DF didn't really mention it in their video.
I have only watched the demo twice with my logitech z625 but I thought the reverberations and positional audio for the sound effects was kind of mind blowing. And this is on a stereo 2.1 setup. I think audio will be amazing next gen holy cow.
I have only watched the demo twice with my logitech z625 but I thought the reverberations and positional audio for the sound effects was kind of mind blowing. And this is on a stereo 2.1 setup. I think audio will be amazing next gen holy cow.
Imagine if you get a wing suit in Spider-man 2 and you could fly like this in NYC.
I was hugely impressed by the audio, hence I said earlier in this thread to watch it again with headphones on.
To contrast how current gen hides load times before blowing your mind with the aerial parkour glide sequence.
It also kind of sounds that this was a paid marketing by Sony, so he is hyping what he is being paid to hype. Without any actual comparisons till be hard to tell.
I could see both consoles running very close overall. Some games better on PS5 others better on Xbox. All depends on how devs decide to develop the game.
It's just for showcase purposes. It's important to see how a model is interacting with the environment close up, the LOD, the animations, as this provides a direct comparison to a typical shot we see today.
I think it ends up being a nice contrast given the ending scenes.
You're the one making the outlandish claims. It's on you to make a convincing argument, not me.
Sounds like you missed the scaling conversation after the demo.
Just because something is Unreal Engine doesn't mean every console using it gets the same fidelity, the Switch uses Unreal Engine 4, doesn't mean its games look the same as Gear of War does it?
MS hasn't shared BC Pack compression info with all the devs yet either. Probably only the first party knows about implementing BC Pack as of now.
Yep, once again people are turning this in console wars while the important part is that you can have this quality while reduced dev work drastically.
If you believed that, that's on you.