I feel like some of you guys are still confused as to the difference between the Hellblade announcement video and this tech demo. But it's been explained a few times in this thread.
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Digital Foundry: PlayStation 5 / Unreal Engine 5 Reaction - Now This Is Next-Gen!
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I feel like some of you guys are still confused as to the difference between the Hellblade announcement video and this tech demo. But it's been explained a few times in this thread.
A tech demo for a non-game we'll never get. Looks good I guess, but really not that special imo. Jeez at least that xbox show had actual games we'll play one day.
John...I know you and Dictator have a more decerning eye for this stuff, but a lot of those scenes in this demo looked very similar (lighting/geometry detail) that was in Dictators overview of Shadow of the Tomb Raider RTX version. Can you weigh in on how differnet this demo was to SoTR using RTX? I have a 2080ti and have played a lot of SoTR with RTX and it just blows me away and when I watched this I was feeling like there is not that big of a jump.
It also seems like the most comparable thing from this demo is SoTR RTX. Would it be something you guys would compare to see what advantages this new engine has over what SoTR uses? Again, you guys have a much more decerning eye for the fine details that most of us don't so hearing from the experts would be interesting.
You got any idea how much space this demo took up storage wise?
The issue is you framed it in a way that suggests this is going to have some type of long lasting "ripple" affect on how these consoles are perceived. Which is, of course, a ridiculous assertion.
I mean, that is Geoff's thing. Playable demos.. We'll see lol. Playable by someone does not mean playable by the public. And honestly.. what was there to play? It's a corridor that opens up into a large, fixed-camera angle, on-rails corridor.
They called it bounce lighting. Ray Tracing is bounce lighting - with more bounces. So, while this is cheaper, the effect is similar at best.
It's still someone physically playing the game rather than a flashy in-engine cutscene.
It's almost as if not every game will use the same engine.
Plenty of games will be 60fps, plenty of games will have options (just like this gen).
It's dynamic 1440p. Native 4k means you need more than twice the power. There's no way you can get it to run at 4k even if they had more time.
Yea, I think that's my problem with this reveal. It was very bland "gameplay" and a pretty generic setting.
I didn't full watch the stream but some told me he said it during the stream. Don't blame it on me if he didn't say it.
I will blame the otehrs who told me so haha.
I will rewatch the full stream later and see if he said it.
This is a tech demo from the engine guys, not a PS5 show.
SteamVR can extrapolate from 45fps, but yeah right now I'm so excited for PSVR2.
Honestly, this is why people shouldn't get too excited about what Sony's faster SSD can do for graphical fidelity (outside of eliminating texture pop-in). It doesn't matter how much you can shuffle in and out of RAM, nor does it matter how much you can read from the SSD, as you've still got to display all of that. You can certainly make better use of the RAM this way, but you're still at the mercy of the GPU when it comes to displaying all of it. Plus, with higher frame rates, you've got more to worry about with regard to managing system resources for physics interactions.
That said, as long as performance doesn't drop below 30 fps, I'm fine, but I honestly hope we see more and more games hitting at least 60 fps. I'm already planning to buy an Xbox Series X, despite the "lack of games" for it, as I'm totally fine with putting hundreds more hours into Forza Horizon 4, albeit with higher graphics fidelity and at 60 fps (rather than having to settle for 1080p and reduced graphical detail to get to 60 fps).
True.
Still, I can say with just about complete confidence that if this is just the demo of what is the most widely used engine in the industry, then 1st party studios will really put on a showcase. I know what that looks like for Sony just with the PS4 alone, I can really already imagine it. As for MS, they obviously have Halo which I know is going to be amazing and Hellblade, but outside of that, I can't see anything else and with that, that's where things will definitely determine what's what and who's who.
This is going to easily be the nitpick gen.
What we saw from this tech demo was more of a "game" than the Hellblade trailer was, no idea what Hellblade will actually look like in a playable state.
But MS already showed next-gen exclusive titles at their third party showcase. I'm going to guess there will be some next-gen exclusive graphical features in their showcase next month, they aren't just going to show a bunch of Xbox One games with ray tracing.
Yup. It may not turn into a finished game but it's real gameplay. Important distinction here.
It's the start of a new generation!
Not really console wars though - UE5 will run even on IOS and Android at some point. It's cool to debate companies' PR and marketing strategies.
I know the same group of people keep pushing this but no.
UE5 will also come to Series X, don't worry.
You'll get Hellblade 2 (the full game release), meanwhile you'll never see this tech demo ever again.
Whew lawd imagine an actual Tomb Raider on this. I can't. The rock climbing....i cant even imagine. I'm shaking.
The temporal reconstruction in Unreal Engine is great, and I hope more games use that in conjunction with DRS. The environmental detail in the demo was awesome.
I'm hoping as we move through the gen, and devs have longer to work with these tools, games on par with this demo (or better) will be achievable at 60 fps.
I'm hoping as we move through the gen, and devs have longer to work with these tools, games on par with this demo (or better) will be achievable at 60 fps.
I think earlier, 2022 with Santa Monica's God of War 2 will surpass this :)
Hellblade "In-engine Trailer"
UE5 "Tech Demo" Playable on a console.
Big difference. And if Nanite is truly what they say it is the only way Hellblade comes close in the near future is if its using this Engine.
Not only that, but these devs will not have had access to UE5 lol. Of course games being shown won't look as impressive as what was just shown. Also, spoiler alert, but don't expect a majority of the games shown from anyone during the near term to be what we just saw.
In my memory, this looked so much better.The PS4 demo for comparison
Unreal Engine 4: Real-Time PS4 Tech Demo
Epic Games shows off a new tech demo for Unreal Engine 4 running in real-time on PS4.youtu.be
It's the only tangible evidence of XSX potential we have so far. I don't know what this forum is going to do if it turns out the PS5 ends up the more capable machine.
Wow, that's how you present a new console with its potential. I honestly felt emotional just looking at this, and thinking: we are finally there. This is is what you dreamt of when you were 7 years old.