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Digital Foundry: PlayStation 5 / Unreal Engine 5 Reaction - Now This Is Next-Gen!

Do you think the demo is impressive?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,855 92.0%

  • No

    Votes: 247 8.0%
  • Total voters
    3,102
JaseC64

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digitalrelic said:
Ya'll, this was an Unreal Engine 5 tech demo. This same tech will be utilized on Series X. This is not a "PS5 vs Series X" issue.
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This is why I said the "3rd party Xbox Series X" May reveal was also Sony's way to reveal PS5 games at the same time. Lol

Xbox gamers should also be excited for today's reveal.

But I am still waiting for Sony to stop their bullshit and the information everyone is waiting for. System, BC, OS, games.

Shit is annoying now.
 
Jeffram

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Pyro said:
Yes it's impressive but the "squeezing through tight spaces to mask loading" is disappointing to still see. I'd rather have that eliminated over photorealism.
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I think it was more to demonstrate the assets up close. The flight at the end makes it clear streaming is not an issue. They even said triangles are loaded in moment to moment.
 
MZZ

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Nice there is already an analysis from DF! will start watching right after the interview. I was thinking what does DF think about this when I was watching the demo.
 
digitalrelic

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Plum said:
In terms of brand positioning it 100% is

Sony has associated their console with 'next-gen' whilst Microsoft failed to do so quite publicly. That's going to have a ripple effect on how people view the two consoles no matter how powerful they actually are.
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No matter how much you want this to be true and for Microsoft to have failed miserably, sorry, but it's not. What will matter is what's to come.
 
Sho_Nuff82

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Plum said:
In terms of brand positioning it 100% is

Sony has associated their console with 'next-gen' whilst Microsoft failed to do so quite publicly. That's going to have a ripple effect on how people view the two consoles no matter how powerful they actually are.
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But not on enthusiast forums where everyone knows better, right?
 
entremet

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inguef said:
I'm still shocked that Microsoft decided to 'reveal' next-gen how they did. What were they thinking?
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Honestly, the mainstream doesn't care about engine demos. This is the stuff that satisfies the hardcore--the demographic of this site.

I can't remember any engine demo going viral or getting buzz with the mainstream like ever.

Also ppl are already overestimating this engine demo as a shot across to the bow to MS. Ridiculous take lol.
 
zombiejames

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Pyro said:
Yes it's impressive but the "squeezing through tight spaces to mask loading" is disappointing to still see. I'd rather have that eliminated over photorealism.
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If you look at how the demo ended, I don't think it was to mask loading. Probably just an angle to show off those assets up close.
 
Doskoi Panda

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Kuma said:
This was a real time demo with actual gameplay
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Yeah, puts it ahead of what we've seen from Xbox recently - but I'm not sure what gameplay is meant to imply in this context. A tech demo with moving parts, though more than a static CG trailer, is still far from being an actual game
 
riotous

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Plum said:
In terms of brand positioning it 100% is

Sony has associated their console with 'next-gen' whilst Microsoft failed to do so quite publicly. That's going to have a ripple effect on how people view the two consoles no matter how powerful they actually are.
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We've got months until we can pre-order these consoles though.

If by July MS hasn't shown anything "next gen" looking running on XSX then I think they have a problem. It's May though.

This isn't the hard to fix DRM fiasco.. it's an impression that can easily change over time.
 
RingRang

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The single biggest takeaway for me from this demo is that lighting on these new consoles can look amazing without ray tracing. I hope most developers choose performance over ray tracing.
 
GlowingBovine

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Damn, I was thinking both parties were lacking in advertising for next gen, but Sony just came out swinging with this. I hope for Microsoft's sake they have something impressive to show in July.

Either way, I'm excited for next gen and can't wait to see what both parties put out there.
 
low-G

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I love the implementation of the poly tech.

But it's not impressive to me in the traditional sense. It's like the Unity Heretic demo. Give me the demo or a game to run on my own hardware. Don't tech demo "maybe games might look like this in 2023 when the engine has been in devs hands for a few years".. especially not with Lara Croft cave gameplay.
 
Betty

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Sho_Nuff82 said:
But not on enthusiast forums where everyone knows better, right?
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Well we know that Microsoft won't have full next gen games until at least next year, everything coming out at launch will be cross gen.

So if anything we already know Sony will be able to show off proper next gen titles unshackled from current gen.
 
Bjones

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I mean everyone shows an awesome demo every gen and how many games get close? Hell they show game demos that never get made.

I am cautiously optimistic
 
etta

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Xbox is in a super tough spot now come July if their Halo and Hellblade aren't within reaching distance of these visuals.
Sony too for their show.
 
Nacery

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Impressive nonetheless and the fact that it was completely playable was simply surreal but let's see how it will perform with NPC AI and more FX going on. Guess now it's Microsoft turn to show some Hellblade 2 gameplay to actually try to convince people on Series X. I'm also really curious to see this demo running on PC.
 

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Betty said:
Well we know that Microsoft won't have full next gen games until at least next year, everything coming out at launch will be cross gen.

So if anything we already know Sony will be able to show off proper next gen titles unshackled from current gen.
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Scorn and The Medium are next gen only
 
T0kenAussie

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Betty said:
Well we know that Microsoft won't have full next gen games until at least next year, everything coming out at launch will be cross gen.

So if anything we already know Sony will be able to show off proper next gen titles unshackled from current gen.
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Every gen there's only like 2 games and they aren't even as good as the fully developed ones that happen in years 3&4 of the slate.
 
Eeyore

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Pyro said:
Yes it's impressive but the "squeezing through tight spaces to mask loading" is disappointing to still see. I'd rather have that eliminated over photorealism.
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No one can say definitively why it was done, but the voice over talked about the individual shadows and the sound tech, so I think concluding it was done just for loading to be a bit presumptive at this time.
 
Spork4000

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Bjones said:
I mean everyone shows an awesome demo every gen and how many games get close? Hell they show game demos that never get made.

I am cautiously optimistic
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True real time tech demos? They usually get pretty close. Outside of the BS that was going around with PS3 consoles almost always exceed their early tech demos from what I've seen.
 
Kibbles

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They keep talking about ps5 and it's architecture allowing thisin the post-trailer interview.
 
Dictator

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etta said:
Xbox is in a super tough spot now come July if their Halo and Hellblade aren't within reaching distance of these visuals.
Sony too for their show.
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No one is in a super tough spot with this demo, I think. It has trade offs like any technology. This targets 30 fps and a middle resolution, other games want to do different things for their design.

I would literally want to die if people compared these graphics to something like Halo Infinite for console war purposes. I would want to scream into the void if people did that.
 

dedge

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Squeezing through tight spaces will still be a thing, it just won't be due to loading.
 

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digitalrelic said:
No matter how much you want this to be true and for Microsoft to have failed miserably, sorry, but it's not. What will matter is what's to come.
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What? You're making my post into some fanboy rant when I was literally just analysing Sony's strategy here and what effect that will have on both their and Microsoft's brand position. I find this kind of thing really interesting, and I honestly couldn't care less about who 'wins' in the end lol

Things can shift, of course, and in no way do I feel that Microsoft has "failed miserably", but this notion that marketing is just a process of overwriting things that came before is ridiculous.

riotous said:
We've got months until we can pre-order these consoles though.

If by July MS hasn't shown anything "next gen" looking running on XSX then I think they have a problem. It's May though.
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Think of it this way:

Sony is currently in a position where their brand and their brand alone is associated with 'next-gen' visuals
Microsoft is currently in a position where their brand is associated with a disappointing showcase that failed to inspire

Whilst, yes, both positions can change, all I'm saying right now is that Sony has positioned themselves much more carefully than Microsoft has, and that will have an effect on their marketing in the future.
 
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