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Digital Foundry | PlayStation 5 Backwards Compatibility Tested - And It's Fantastic!
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Yes, all FromSoftware titles locked at 30fps exhibit the same frame pacing issues.
No for either so far.
Neither have been updated for next gen consoles and both run with fixed resolutions and frame rates.
Frame pacing is still an issue with games that are locked at 30 fps with 0 frame rate drops. From Soft just has a weird way that they code for 30 FPS games. All their games have the same issue, DS3, and Sekiro both have the same issue when running at 30 FPS.
That was only for one game no? Pre-patched Assassin's Creed? Or have others been confirmed.
And then he fixed it a day later. If one guy can do it, sony/from team can make it happen as well.
The comment just happened come up when talking about Unity but DF was clarifying that PS5 does not force 16x AF at a system level the same way Xbox does. Probably because this is a feature that's been baked into DirectX for ages and so it's fairly simple to implement on Xbox.
IGN showed one instance and it took about 12 seconds instead of 22.
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Oh ok thanks. I swear there were previous PlayStation consoles that improved AF out of the box for BC.. was it PS3 Phat? For PS2 games? Or PS4Pro for PS4 games.
Anyway I wonder if they improve the BC over time... not that I think it's a top or middle priority for them lol.
PS3 let you enable filtering for PS1 games, can't remember if it did for PS2, but it wasn't AF. Just a kind of fullscreen AA effect if I'm not mistaken. On PS4 Pro, games still had to be patched to improve AF.
It was Ps2 for ps1 game, and that was bilinear texture filter.
Not that i know of, but it should be better (running the game with an ssd on ps4 was already a noticeable improvement over a regular hdd).
I had it in our video initially (hence the thumbnail being a bit wrong!)
Solid 30 in resolution mode, solid 60 in performance mode. IMHO it looks sharper than PS4 Pro in perf mode.
Hahaha, YES! That's why I made it ;) :D
Yup, all of the games that have unlocked modes in the "resolution"/4k modes I tested run at 60. God of War being the exception
I'm not saying that the framerate differences shouldn't be discussed, only properly explained.
SX BC enforcing vsync (which would have solved Bloodborne framepacing issues as it did for similar games that had framepacing on 360 and xbone) is something that SX does better than PS5.
Whereas in this case it's just the case of the games having a very big resolution target. And even in this case what makes for the better experience is complicated because:
1- SX does get close to locked, it's not a scenario of a game running 50fps and lower consistently, in all cases it's games that stay almost consistently at 60 but some drops can occur.
2 - SX does support VRR which was designed with these scenario in mind. With VRR also enabled for BC games it means the few framerate hiccups on SX are all but eliminated from our perception. Would be nice for them to address that because with VRR SX would offer a similar smoothness AND a significant (>2x) resolution advantage in basically all the games they tested.
All in all, just didn't look like a very technical comparison, leaving details and not explaining the whole picture.
Makes sense. The PS4 Pro was a weak system unable to keep up with the One X, so they usually used a mixture or combination of uncapped framerates and dynamic resolutions, where the X was able to maintain consistent resolutions/framerates. Unsurprisingly, you finally come out with a powerful system and those games run flawlessly. Sounds about right.
Bravo to Cerny and the BC team.
Let's also pour one out for all the BC-related FUD that failed to manifest. Limited compatibility, no boost mode, limited clocks, only using 18 CUs, etc. Nope!
Oh, to the folks definitively saying no improvement to Bloodborne - what about improvements to frame pacing? That is something I would expect to see. Did any outlet look for this?
Let's also pour one out for all the BC-related FUD that failed to manifest. Limited compatibility, no boost mode, limited clocks, only using 18 CUs, etc. Nope!
Oh, to the folks definitively saying no improvement to Bloodborne - what about improvements to frame pacing? That is something I would expect to see. Did any outlet look for this?
hopefully they will get updates soon, would love to play both at 60fps
Easy Allies did in their video, Brad said it's still the same texture as PS4.
Not quite. Everything works as expected on PS5, from 2 to 2.5x faster performance (compared to Pro) in almost all cases (except unpatched AC Unity because GPU runs at PS4 clocks). But this is quite different on XSX as some games (like Assetto Corsa) only runs 1.5x faster than XBX.
Do you guys think that these patches will be ready for launch? Because it's curious, to say the least, to have 1st party games, like Bloodborne, with locked 30fps. Or even God of War that has the same options that we have on PS4 Pro. Maybe these games will be ready for launch day. And of course, Ubi has been the one with bug games LOL
I got the information from the DF video to be exact. PS5 solution is only a slight tone map and according to John "not real HDR". When DF talked about the Xbox solution back in the day, they've seen a big increase in peak brightness and called it comparable or even real HDR.
I am tired of people interpreting things into my post I literally didn't say.
- Being impressed doesn't mean another solution isn't even more impressive.
- A solution being better doesn't mean the inferior solution is bad.
Yeah now my large backlog(many of the games sealed) can be played at the best possible performance with no jet engine noise.
Dark1x said:
Well that's exactly what I needed to hear. This video is something Sony should have detailed months ago so I greatly appreciate the work put in by DF here. Exactly how BC worked for games is what I've been waiting to hear about...for all we knew before, everything would pull an AC Unity and run at PS4/Pro clocks. My poor impulse control will probably take over if I manage to have the opportunity to snag one in person.
Hey you think you could test Nioh 1 and 2 if you have those games? I'd be interested in seeing how they run specifically in the "variable" performance modes.
Tried to ask DF, but they ignored me lol
How do you know it's not enforced on the PS5?
Do you know the internal resolution of Sekiro on Pro? The actual difference in native resolution might put things into perspective. But still, none of this is all that relevant (to me at-least) when discussing BC frame-rate, a lot of curren-gen analysis are readily available. I don't care why one is lower, even though they do touch upon this briefly, I mainly want to know which platform performs better.
Sekiro on Series X seemingly dropped rather frequently during battle, even with just one enemy on screen. I don't think that's a good sign for later fights.
They have already mentioned VRR support in previous videos for One X and Series X. Not sure why it's necessary to lay out all the unnecessary technical jargon for quick comparisons.
But that's not entirely true. Last year we had multiple games running at better frame rate on Pro than X.
I was going to ask about this one. I held off on playing it at launch and then I kind of forgot about it.
Because it didn't fix games with bad framepacing like Bloodborne.
SX is running at twice the Pro resolution (1800p native vs 1800 checkerboard)
Performs better is relative in this case. Yeah, PS5 is achieving a higher framerate, but it's rendering twice as less pixels.
It drops frames on SX, but they are well within range where VRR is reported to clean them up.
And I don't think it's unnecessary, it's one feature supported system-wide on SX, and that attacks precisely this scenario SX was in of a high framerate with drops, so why no mention at all?
Assetto corsa Competizione runs at locked 60fps on PS5 (instead of ~30fps on Pro and ~45-50 on XSX).
Though I must say him saying "resolution is very low" is quite odd as XBX ran the game at about 30% higher resolution than the Pro.
There really wouldn't be much/any improvement to the frame pacing unless they uncap the frame rate. The Pro's boost mode only had marginal improvements which helped iron out the little frame drops which alleviated the frame spikes to make it seem worse, but it didn't get fixed there either.
How about FFXV? Does it hit 60 in other nodes besides lite mode?
Especially curious about FFXIV.
Thanks this is good to know, and yeah I wouldn't say the resolution is low, since its native 1800p.
