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Digital Foundry | PlayStation 5 Backwards Compatibility Tested - And It's Fantastic!
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yeah if only they would release a patch it would almost certainly hit that target (and maybe more) I kind of wish there was a switch to flip these and unlock framerates across all back compat games lol
I dont think it is bizarre in this instance, it actually kind of makes sense in a way. Since its reveal Sony have been insistent on "next gen", "we believe in generations"...etc touting their BC goes against this narritive
I think they were just testing unpatched games. Not ones that will get ps5 updates. And I think GOW is one that will get ps5 specific updates.
This was the highlight for me.
Not interested in anything else but my son loves plating both knack games with me
PS4 Pro games usually run either checkerboards or at a lower resolution.
Not every games as seen with Unity as a example. Some games will run with PS4 Pro clockspeeds.
Nope. Games in both consoles won't see a resolution increase, thus it comes down to what the games run on originally. Which was 1080p on PS4 and mostly 900p on Xbox One. Going back to my first sentence, this means Xbox Series X can't push the resolution beyond the artificially limit of 900p and PS5 not beyond 1080p on PS4 games.
I knew this would come up and it is still false. PS5 runs games better, if the resolution was higher on the Xbox One X version and yes that's a benefit. But it's not down to the implementation of BC. PS4 games render with 1080p and those will look better on PS5, because Xbox uses the Xbox One versions for old games.
To sum up PS5 has two advantages here. Well objectively one (PS4 ports), because while Pro games run smoother, their resolution is lower and than it's up to preference. Now we are going to look at the Xbox BC advantages:
- All games can tap into the power of the console, thus you won't be getting any AC Units situations where the PS5 downclocks the GPU to Pro standards.
- There are no visual glitches anyone has seen. PS5 has glitches in AC:S for example
- Loading times are better on Xbox across the board.
- Auto HDR via ML. Superior to PS5 implementation
Yes, but a less impressive implementation.
It's literally what John from DF said himself, not really sure who you're trying to convince with your explanation.
Neither the PS5 or Xbox Series X are using RDNA2 features in BC games.
Great job by sony in regards to backwards compatibility. I had my doubts but they came through in the end.
John loves framerate above all. He said so on twitter and it's a opinion and I stated mine.
The post you quoted said "Every game I've played"... I've not played Unity...
Buuuuuuuuut looking at the rest of your post kinda make me realise that replying to you is going to be pointless because anything I get back will be coated in green light anyway, so I'll leave it there :)
Yeah, I was hoping that there is some improvement at release. Don't want to wait till 10th :-)
I'm gonna lose a loooot of time testing out old favorites to see the difference. A lot of time.
Excited for this!
Excited for this!
That's why. This is news. We get a big blow out now today about how Sony "finally" tells us about BC. It's all stuff that you could have assumed before, but now we get yet another blowout just before launch next week.
This drip feed approach keeps them in the news cycle/mindshare.
I don't think that's bizarre at all. Both companies have different marketing priorities and sometimes they choose to not talk about something that's still impressive. PS5 BC or Xbox audio.
Right. But Sekiro on the One X runs at 3200 x 1800 with an average framerate of ~40fps. On the Series X it runs at 3200 x 1800 at up to 60fps but with frame drops. RDNA2 features in BC or not, it's still 12.15 Tflops vs 6 Tflops, and the frame rate drops are still very surprising.
What the fuck? Is it not possible for some of you to discuss something without these bullshit? I just wanted to inform you that not all games will see benefits. But next time I just keep my mouth shut.
I believe bloodborne does not offer unlocked framerate and is capped to 30
Bloodborne doesn't have an unlocked framerate, nothing you do will help that.
Sony needs to patch it up.
Not bizarre, they did market their BC because it's important but their focus is new games.
destiny 2 is dropping frames atleast in Giantbombs video, where ps4 wouldnt. very weird. when he pulls up the tower map. about 4:30
The games has a clear resolution target in 1080p and a locked 30FPS target. No improvements will come to this game with the exception of loading.
The FPS target is 30 for Bloodborne, while the other games have a unlocked framerate.
They patched Days Gone. The same hasn't happened to Bloodborne.
Developers have made Tomb Raider and Knack have an "unlocked frame rate" mode that basically tried to hit 60fps on the PS4 but struggled, the PS5 cleans it up and locks it at 60fps
Bloodborne is tied to 30fps minimum due to FromSoftware
So Sony would have to ask FromSoftware to patch in an unlock frame rate mode for Bloodborne for the PS5 to hit 60fps
I was pretty pissed also, I am used to 60FPS from Stadia. I tried playing on xCloud and the experience and load times were brutal. I have so much to play when I get the X I might just hold of on Destiny so I can experience the new content enhanced
Bloodborne doesn't run at 60 because the original game didn't run above 30 FPS, the upper limit is 30 and the only way to get anything bigger is to have developers patch that in. Tomb Raider and Knack had modes where the upper limit was 60. Uncharted 4 for example is going to be 30 unless Naughty Dog patches it.
did it run unlocked? did it have a pro patch? then if no, it will be the same as ps4 (unless ps4 version ran like crap in which case it should be locked on PS5)
Good point. I don't know, but sometimes the framerate drops for different reasons. You can see this in the first ever great analyses by IGN. They talk to the gears devs and they'll explain in the video why there are FPS drops due to a bug or rather something they've used in the Xbox One version due to Unreal engine on Series X. Those will be fixed, but that's not important for this post xD
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Obviously the reasons are most likely different, because Sekiro isn't using unreal, but it just goes to show sometimes drops happen without the CPU or GPU being the issue at hand. Sometimes it's a bug or funnily enough a workaround causing the issued for example.
It's just tone mapped to a brighter image. So whites get brighter. Lots of TVs do the same thing.
It's not the same thing that the Xbox Series X is doing with it's ML Auto HDR.