Thats personal preference, I hate the RB LB and much prefer the positioning of the analogs in the DS4. I was talking about added features.
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[Digital Foundry] Inside Xbox Series X - How Microsoft Redefined The Console Form Factor
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I personally love the Xbox controller and live the fact that, if you forget about the duke, all we've had for 3 gens (4 with Series X) is refinements to the Xbox which just goes on to show that they are only perfecting il what is almost close to perfect in people's minds. Added gimmicks are nothing when it comes to controllers, it's all about player mobility and making controlling what is on your screen as easy as possible.
Also the fact that it's retro/forward compatible with headsets/chat pads imo just shows the amount of care put in the device. Really hope Sony follows suit honestly, about time companies respect the consumers and lets them carry their devices from one console to another as that shot ain't cheap!
Not a fan of the form factor at all. It doesn't fit in most of the TV board setups and has to be put somewhere else. The form factor of the console itself also doesn't seem so innovative, big fan on top of a chimney design to take advantage of the hot air going up. I could only put the console on the ground, which means the bottom would suck up a lot of dust.
The aluminum centerpiece looks quiet impressive and expensive. What a difference from the cheap 360s. I hope the X-spring is not as bad as the X-clamp, which didn't work well in the 360s. Overall, the built quality looks great though.
For the controller, the AA battery usage is something I have hated for years.
The aluminum centerpiece looks quiet impressive and expensive. What a difference from the cheap 360s. I hope the X-spring is not as bad as the X-clamp, which didn't work well in the 360s. Overall, the built quality looks great though.
For the controller, the AA battery usage is something I have hated for years.
I've never been so impressed by Xbox's consoles by a design standpoint before, but god damn the aesthetic, the build design and specs. Beautiful.
I'm not leaving Sony and Playstation because I enjoy their IP's more than anything. And I always hated Xbox and Microsoft for their service and bad history of handling their console. But credits due where credits due.
I'm not leaving Sony and Playstation because I enjoy their IP's more than anything. And I always hated Xbox and Microsoft for their service and bad history of handling their console. But credits due where credits due.
It's the biggest miss I see in the series X ( The cost of the memory card could easily eclipse this though).
Can't you turn it off? I'm pretty sure you can do it from the accessory settings app? I could test this, but I'm not going to, and instead risk recklessly spreading misinformation.
LOL man.. if only..
The funny thing is that looking at the specs on that website... the Series X WOULD fit in at least several of them.Recievers vary in size massively though. Eg you have lower profile Marantz (NR1510, NR1710) ones that are 10cm tall, and Onkyo models (TXL50) that are just 7cm tall, plus Sony's newer affordable ones that afaik are 13cm, but then you have big boy ones that go as tall as 18cm. The XSX would be 15.1cm tall on its side, which I think is fairly similar or even a touch less tall than some of those Denon, Yamaha etc recievers.
Ultimately, I think it'll fit fine in the majority of actually media orientated TV stands, or those that are tech focused, but I don't think it'll fit in some of the more low profile home furniture esque TV units, eg some of the ones that are solid wood, more intricate in design or size, or dainty, homely looking etc.
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I'm not overly worried about ensuring several inches of clearance on either side. The console is designed to suck all the air it needs from millimeters above the surface, and it has vents on the side of the fan, in the super bad scenario that someone does block airflow from the top. A couple inches of space on either side sounds like plenty. (Probably)
Those paddles are great.
I really hope Sony takes notes on the Elite controller. I absolutely hated One's regular controller, but the Elite Controller felt so much better and those paddles were such a great design element to it.
I just realized the fan is in a pull configuration. Don't know how that escaped me all this time.
I am super impressed by the XSeX's design. It was a lot of fun watching Richard put the whole thing together. I was a bit envious!
I am super impressed by the XSeX's design. It was a lot of fun watching Richard put the whole thing together. I was a bit envious!
I use my controller every single day for many hours. I don't want an internal battery that will die and render the whole controller useless in two years
Beyond the share button I beleive there are no other new features unrevealed.
Its got ports on the back as well.
With the fan at the top it will suck air up from wherever it can so dust hopefully wont be too much of an issue.
Also PCs have had bottom intakes for a while so dont worry it isnt particularly new or dangerous unless you have your PC on a really shaggy carpet.
And the XSX also has rear intakes so if the bottom isnt bringing in enough air itll just suck air up through the rear intakes.
But the amount of interior space the heat sink has should lead to very good thermals.
Lol, not only will the battery easily last more than two years (all my controllers with internal batteries still work), but what you're describing has never been the case with internal batteries in controllers. You can not only still buy replacement batteries for them, but also swap them out in a matter of minutes. The dead battery dead controller complaint is a myth.
Really good video, the design has really grown on me. I'm going to buy a new entertainment center so I can stand it up
It's spelled differently as well. UK spells it aluminium versus America's aluminum
It's spelled differently as well. UK spells it aluminium versus America's aluminum
There's a chance there's something there in production models. We'll have to wait for a teardown of an actual, working device to see how the cable management is handled as well.
Lots of people play at their desks these days, marketing dept probably wanted to design something that lives where a PC does
Buying new internal batteries for your controller is no different than buying rechargeable batteries for the Xbox controller. Personally my DS4 controller batteries are terrible and the controller dies constantly.
Same only realized it just now, I thought the fan was at the bottom, and pushing the air out. But its the complete opposite with the pull configuration.
So just swap out the batteries. It will take you a couple of minutes and cost you maybe $10-$15.
At least with internal batteries all you need to do for those first 3-4+ years is plug in a cable to charge instead of having to actually take out physical batteries, plug them into a wall charger, take the other batteries out of the charger and into the controller, rinse repeat over and over. It's just such an antiquated process, it's no wonder everyone is moving away from it.
Plugging in the controller in the middle of a play session is WAYYYYYYYY more inconvenient than taking 10 seconds to swap out batteries a couple of times per month. I always have a set of eneloops charging. As an owner of both consoles I much prefer swappable batteries.
Yeah, my eleloops were from my 360 controllers. Still last a couple of weeks at a time with almost nightly play time. Plus I have a set for my Oculus controllers so my stuff is always charged without thinking about it.
with the plug and play kit I literally do the same exact thing you do. Cost me $25 over course of 7-8 years and still going. I'll be ok
Yea, I used a plug and play kit with my XO launch pad too, but it's still a bit shitty I had to actually pay extra for it. That said my Elite controller thankfully already has internal batteries/a built in charging port, though obviously it wasn't cheap.
I'm able to play with my cable plugged in, so it's not much of an issue. Even when my viewing distance was greater, I already had a USB extender. That said, I've only had to plug in the cable in the middle of play a handful of times, as most of the time my controllers are charging in sleep mode or when my consoles are updating etc.
Good luck using a USB cable sitting far away in your couch, and even with a super long USB cable it looks stupid and much more inconvenient than fully wireless and you still need to get up to plug it anyway. I always leave a set of rechargeable batteries in the little storage thingy I have on my couch so whenever I need to I just grab and swap and when my gameplay session is over or if I need to get up grab a drink I'll put the batteries to charge at the same time.
Having to open up a controller to change something that wasn't meant to be user replaceable is the complete opposite of what you actually want in the first place.
It really depends on everyone's situation. Personally I would hate having to plug my controller in order to keep playing, and I don't have much room or interest for a charging station (my controllers usually lie around on the couch or nearby). So I've always been really happy with the eneloops solution.
What I mean is that there is no such thing as best or worst solution in this endless debate. Sure MS may be happy to save a few bucks (cents?) by not including an internal battery, but it's also good for the consumer to have options.
Microsoft spent over $100 million on the xb1 controller. It doesn't need much more fine tuning so this might actually be where they've saved money and time this time around. Especially when the Xbox One controller is also playable here.
Or don't ever have to play with it plugged in, or need to remember to plug it in to charge after every play session or have to buy an aftermarket internal battery and spend 20 minutes taking apart your controller to replace the battery. Nothing in any of your descriptions is making a controller with internal batteries sound easier to use than swappable AAs.
I always have a pair of Eneloops charging so when my batteries die I grab those and put the dead ones in. It requires no effort or thought.
Playing while wired....so antiquated. I am wireless all the time!
Why do we get "it's 2020!" For AA batteries, but not wires?
Why do we get "it's 2020!" For AA batteries, but not wires?
You'll have plenty of space for air flow. The front is open too, you'll be fine.
yeah... I just cant do that lol, I need it clean and flat
The only arguments my wife and I have are when she wants to put holiday decorations on the TV stand lol
I certainly hope you are right, I will definitely like to start it there, I guess Ill just have to monitor it a bit I suppose
Should have added Gyro and the grip buttons. If my Steam Controllers both stopped working no matter how much I tried to fix them my next PC controller would be DS4 or 5 especially if Sony add the grip buttons, hopefully that attachment for DS4 is a sign they know it's awesome.
This has to be the most impressive piece of console hardware ever made. Everything from the beastly specs to the insides of the console is immaculately designed. i am blown away tbh. MS had done a remarkable job with the x1x but it was still $499 even though it shipped a year after the pro. this should be $499 and a bargain at that price.
lets hope they have next gen games at launch.
lets hope they have next gen games at launch.
Then YOU can pay extra for that convenience. Everyone else shouldn't have to.
Seriously, look at that configuration of internals! Pure sex.
Do you think the charge cable has to be attached to the console? Because it doesn't. I have a USB charger right by my couch with a microUSB cable handy at all time. When I stop playing I can plug the DS4 in to charge, or if it dies mid game it is literally right there and I can plug it in and keep playing.
You spent more time typing this paragraph than it would take to swap some rechargeable batteries.
I own two PS4 controllers literally only because I swap them when the battery dies after like 10 hours. I've never actually used both at the same time.
Very happy with my eneloops in my Xbox controller.
Very happy with my eneloops in my Xbox controller.
IIRC, the original PS3 had a shit-ton of extraneous HW for the Blu-Ray player and for PS2 backwards compatibility (my understanding is that the original PS3's essentially had dedicated PS2 HW inside to run PS2 games).
That probably ate up a lot of power! :)
The PS4 controller has pretty terrible battery life, but 10 hours seems long enough for a session for me. I think the Switch Pro Controller is the way to go personally, great battery life and rechargeable.
I'm guessing you can't.
Keeping that base there ensures that you cannot push the bottom completely flush against a wall and completely cut off the air intake.
Curious as to why they went with a "base" in the center like this, rather than four legs at the corners to create room for the air intake. Do we think this was an aesthetic decision, or if it was an engineering one.
Regarding the controller, I'm ecstatic that they retained the battery compartment versus a built-in lithium battery. Why on earth would you want a controller that you have no choice but to plug in when it gets low (or swap to another controller), and whose battery gets worse over time?
Buy a four pack of high-capacity Eneloops, or even Amazon's house brand (which I believe are rebadged Eneloops), and you're set - and not only that, you've probably got longer life than a built-in battery would have. The only caveat I would add, is that I think the Xbox controller should come with a "Play & Charge Kit" standard in the box, not a pair of Duracells. And maybe it will, for all I know (I doubt it).
Regarding the console, I've always loved the aesthetic of it. It's a striking design. I do think they will have some issues with TV stands made by companies like IKEA not being able to accommodate it, as they are generally designed with small, fixed size compartments for more "typical" form factors. However, any TV stand designed for a home theatre receiver and stuff, should accommodate it just fine.
Personally, I may just set it up on top of my subwoofer or something, because I think the thing looks great in a vertical orientation, despite having room underneath my TV.
I'll be interested to see Sony's form factor, since they will be confronting the same thermal issues - if not worse, since they didn't opt for wide and slow with their GPU
Buy a four pack of high-capacity Eneloops, or even Amazon's house brand (which I believe are rebadged Eneloops), and you're set - and not only that, you've probably got longer life than a built-in battery would have. The only caveat I would add, is that I think the Xbox controller should come with a "Play & Charge Kit" standard in the box, not a pair of Duracells. And maybe it will, for all I know (I doubt it).
Regarding the console, I've always loved the aesthetic of it. It's a striking design. I do think they will have some issues with TV stands made by companies like IKEA not being able to accommodate it, as they are generally designed with small, fixed size compartments for more "typical" form factors. However, any TV stand designed for a home theatre receiver and stuff, should accommodate it just fine.
Personally, I may just set it up on top of my subwoofer or something, because I think the thing looks great in a vertical orientation, despite having room underneath my TV.
I'll be interested to see Sony's form factor, since they will be confronting the same thermal issues - if not worse, since they didn't opt for wide and slow with their GPU