Fair enought. This is probably the biggest gap we've seen so far and the I/O people kept talking about is nowhere to be seen
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Digital Foundry: Hitman 3 PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S Comparison: An Xbox Advantage At 4K
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Fair enought. This is probably the biggest gap we've seen so far and the I/O people kept talking about is nowhere to be seen
I get an Atmos signal on XSX, but I'm unsure if the xbox sets everything to an atmos container, or if it's from the game itself.
Man, these console war posts are pretty funny. Does anyone else ever wonder the age of some of these posters? Not trying to be a jerk, but it's just so far sometimes, like to the point where I have to think about it. I just always assumed ERA was like a 20-something and over kinda place, but some of these posts say otherwise. (I'm late 30s myself)
It's an enthusiast site and a lot of people are heavily invested emotionally and financially into this shit.
Back in the days of 1UP Yours it was sport for Shane Bettenhausen and Luke Smith to platform war for content, and they were grown ass adults. This stuff has never stopped.
This game has awesome reflections, specially on mirrors and windows. Pretty impressive that they are not Ray Traced. I think they are still quarter resolution, but because the game runs at such high resolutions on SX and PS5, they still look good. I played H2 on PS4 originally and those reflections are like 540p and they kinda broke immersion but they look great in H3.
Also materials quality seems greatly enhanced! H2 looked pretty good on last gen consoles but it always had a bit of a plasticky look because of lower quality materials but now you can see the threads on some of 47's costumes.
Also materials quality seems greatly enhanced! H2 looked pretty good on last gen consoles but it always had a bit of a plasticky look because of lower quality materials but now you can see the threads on some of 47's costumes.
It's a full on, native PS5 / XSX|S game.
It's not running on BC mode (you can run the PS4 version on PS5 for VR, but that's not the version DF tested).
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damn the replies on the first few pages are pathetic lol. fanboys acting a fool to justify their plastic box will never not be embarrassing.
I just got done playing the Dubai level on XSX, it's fucking GORGEOUS. A true stunner of a game, the art direction is incredible and the IQ is squeaky clean.
I just got done playing the Dubai level on XSX, it's fucking GORGEOUS. A true stunner of a game, the art direction is incredible and the IQ is squeaky clean.
nah it's just gonna be the PS5 fanboys instead of Xbox fanboys this time. Both boxes have the crazies.
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CPU is not involved at all in PS5 I/O for a title perfectly optimized. I doubt this the case of Hitman 3, the loading time are big. Spiderman is more 2 seconds only.
With the amount of pages you would think one version runs like a Bethesda game. It's great that every version runs well.
The game launches today and there isnt much to improve beyond the few drops on those flowers so they are probably happy with it since performance is already pretty good.
They have to be at least over thirty. I see people who've been console warring since the PS360 Gaf days and who moved over to Era during the exodus from that place still at it.
Which quite frankly is pretty pathetic.
Just one question, why is everyone taking this game and this studio as an example to define the gap between the PS5 and the XSX? Nobody wonders if it is rather a lack of optimization of the PS5?
Is that the absolute truth? : ')
Large studios, on more ambitious games, clearly, have not obtained this type of difference but yet this Hitman 3 is the reference?
Is that the absolute truth? : ')
Large studios, on more ambitious games, clearly, have not obtained this type of difference but yet this Hitman 3 is the reference?
On PC performance per dollar is measured by keeping resolution and settings the same and comparing uncapped framerates. On console framerates and settings are capped so while it may sound a bit silly at first, in this particular case resolution is the only measurable variable that, well, varies between the two.
That said, such a comparison is not very scientific. Not only because it uses just one game (instead of multiple ones like on PC) but also because a fixed resolution doesn't have the granularity to portray graphics performance the way uncapped framerate does.
The Series X has the strongest hardware, it is not really up for interpretation. The differences in 3rd party games will likely be minimal if anything at all.
It's not an age thing, all you have to do is look at sports. Or well... anything.
The difference on display here imo is minimal. Unless you knew what to look for, most gamers would say Xsx and PS5 versions are identical.
The game looks breathtaking on PS5. Chongqing is a proper HDR showcase. I can't wait to revisit the older levels in the new engine at near-4K.
Damn I was half asleep and thought both said 1080p, that's what I was missing lol this makes more sense.
I wonder what improvements MSFT could have done to their DMA controllers. They definitely provide a huge role in improved performance since they actually offload CPU tasks for loading data into RAM.
It's so awesome that Hitman seems to be finally having its moment. I'm not expecting it to light the charts on fire, but it's nice to see for such a great franchise.
With a 2080ti you should always get the PC version of every game when it comes to gpu performance.
My thoughts exactly! I'm sure they could optimize it to remove the issues but its honestly not a big deal at all.
One game means nothing. I guess it's mostly revanchism, because it's the first big game that is running better on XSX.
On the other hand it was expected that XSX will increase it's performance and Xbox's tools will get better.
1800p vs 2160p is not a big difference. There are many other factors like dev priorities or tool's handling, engine optimizations (wide vs narrow architecture) and so on. The game is running good on old Vega GPUs, it might be better optimized on wider architecture.
And if you admit that a defined software is always benchmarking itself on the edge of APIs, compilers and the opertaing system is running on, with a defined hardware power as a delta to reach, it's true for any platform. It's not like comparing GPUs on the same environment.
Multiple intrications, including the GPU differential, can explain why they've lowered the resolution, at this scale, in this game, and why others devs hadn't. And it has nothing to do with their skills, it's not like IOI has anything to prove, except maybe in web infrastructure.
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I thought the line about how the Series S is "frankly pathetic" would be enough to tip everyone off.
Apparently not!
Not sure what we can expect with I/O on games that are also releasing on PC. They've gotta make them run off 7200 RPM HDD platters. Will probably only see special use of HDD speeds on exclusives.
Do you have a source for such a statement? Because I don't think the PS5 version got intentional hold back by the developers. In my opinion they've decided to go for 99,5% flawless 60FPS and achieved this goal on Xbox Series X at 4K, while PS5 would've probably dropped more at higher resolution. Therefore they've decided to go with a resolution that allows them to achieve 100% 60FPS. The foliage part is interesting, because iirc PS is simply better at this due to higher frequencies.
Teraflops don't matter until they do. There are more hardware diffences to consider for the resolution like RAM bandwidth and funnily enough DF tested Hitman back in the day with their RDNA1 GPU test. What DF has done is basically taking two different GPU (wide & slow, fast & narrow) and matched their TF number. Then they tested games and Hitman was one of those running better on a GPU with more CU. So even if we ignore RAM bandwidth, your number is probably off, because there are indeed engines/games that prefer one over the other.
That's the case for PC and Xbox as well. I don't think any IO is pushed to its limit and most of the changes will benefit all consoles across the board. Sure there is some custom stuff in those consoles and developers need to code for that, but judging loading is not as easy as looking at SSD bandwith and calling it a day. I feel sometimes the customization of the PS5 are exaggerated. Don't get me wrong, those are cool, but it's not like you need a handbook to even grasp how to use the IO and write insane lengthy code to utilize the GPU or SSD. In fact the PS5 is easy to develop for and that's because it's very similar to a PC.
They are doing this, because the Xbox Series X has many advantages in hardware compared to PS5. Thus it was surprising the PS5 performed better and you can slam them for Dirt5 all you want. But at the end of the day, they were 100% spot on.
I think everyone knows the consoles will be and are close. But I don't think it's false to say "well it's probably the stronger Xbox hardware" at all. I admit I was surprised by the difference and perhabs a patch is coming, but again it's not a Dirt 5 situation in which the LOD of the car looked so bad it could've come from the 360 era. I am glad the bug is solved.
I am not just talking about the I/O. A CPU still needs to do some work in games. Turn10 for example calculated drivatar behaviors during loading in the past. So my point was if another task (CPU related, networking related, ...) takes longer than the task to fill the RAM, then bandwidth doesn't matter nearly as much. Thus we can't judge loading just by SSD bandwidth.
If it takes the game let's say 10 seconds to do all the networking related tasks, then it doesn't matter if the SSD can load all data in 2 or 9 seconds (random numbers). I don't think it's networking, but something is clearly holding back the theoretical bandwidth, because even if you look at Xbox vs Xbox, the S should load faster, if you would just look at the SSD, because it's not loading the same assets and has a smaller RAM pool.
Of course the CPU on PS5 isn't involved in the I/O tasks, but then again there is more to loading than that.
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Well sports there is an emotional tie in. You become attached as a kid. Being so attached to a console, something you buy is well frankly ridiculous.
The most important thing in all this is as long as 'you enjoy it' then why the heck does one care if a game looks better on another platform.
Some of the posts are mind blowing lol
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For the enthusiasts yes! Although the average gamer will have a hard time seeing the difference on a TV.
Then again these videos aren't for the average gamer :D
No they choose a standart resolution. IO never choose an exotic resolution for their games. I think the PS5 version can run at more than 1800p at 60
There is no network in Hitman 3. There is some initialization of entity, IA from the CPU but I don't think the game is well optimized. It is call optimization you need to change tons of thing.
I don't know where I got the 3820, it's supposed to be 3840*. You're correct.
Still, probably the weirdest reply I've ever gotten.
What could be done tho other than reducing foliage density on that scene? It looks like the GPU is choking because it's simply asked to do too much. It's the kind of scenario where you could expect PS5 to have an advantage even if both were running at the same resolution - alpha blending is performed by ROPs, both chips have the same number of them but PS5 is clocked higher.
Impressive work by IOI, shipping such a polished release in the launch window.
First I want to thank the DF guys for all the hard work they put into their content and for painstakingly pointing out all the differences between up to 9 versions of games. Keep up the good work! Highly appreciated!
Second I think with this comparison you can't really draw any conclusion about the XSX and PS5 performance/power difference at all, because the PS5 doesn't drop a single frame an therefore you don't have a defined point of comparison where the relative difference between the two even shows.
For all we know the PS5 MIGHT have still some headroom above 60fps and they just went with 1800p because its the next lower resolution from 2160p that scales nicely.
However, like I said, we will never (?) know because its a solid 1800p/60 accross the board.
Second I think with this comparison you can't really draw any conclusion about the XSX and PS5 performance/power difference at all, because the PS5 doesn't drop a single frame an therefore you don't have a defined point of comparison where the relative difference between the two even shows.
For all we know the PS5 MIGHT have still some headroom above 60fps and they just went with 1800p because its the next lower resolution from 2160p that scales nicely.
However, like I said, we will never (?) know because its a solid 1800p/60 accross the board.