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Digital Foundry: Halo Infinite Season 2, Are The Tech Issues Finally Fixed? PC, Xbox Series S/X Re-Tested!
- Thread starter Biosnake
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- black levels in the FMVs are corrected
- playback of FMVs is smoother with fixed framepacing
- object animation playback is smoothed out
- light flickering (not an effect, an error) fixed
- 30fps facial animation playback is still there
- gameplay to cutscene transitions smoothed out
- new visual modes
- modes are renamed to 30, 60, 120 mode
- 120hz more is back on Series S
- internal res is lower, 540p
- outdoor areas run around 70-90 fps, can drop below 60 at times
- indoor areas is around 120
- multiplayer is near locked to 120fps until the camera pulls back (like in vehicles)
- Series X 30hz
- higher average resolution
- vrs doesn't scale as much
- improper frame pacing strikes again
- that and visual gains are very low make this mode not worth it
- Series X 60hz
- if played on a 120hz screen, you get improper framepacing
- set your system output to 60hz mode
- Series X 120hz
- best mode
- used variable rate rendering tier 2, not good with low resolution
- FPS cap/vsync issue on PC still exists
- lower your screen refresh rate
- VRR still doesn't work correctly
- below a certain point (110fps, 114fps), you get jutter
- affects all versions
- the legacy of Halo 3 continues: framepacing issues
- Destiny 1 even had that issue until it was fixed
I hate the lowered resolution since Season 2. I knew something was up the moment I started it up. Thought I had dirt in my eye since the character models looked so blurry at first. Messed around and went to 30FPS and WOW, the game looks a lot better(But no way am I playing it at that). Hopefully, they will up the res. in future updates. Not holding my breath for 343i though lol
Wait what, the resolution is decreased in S2? What platform/mode?
I'm on a CX with a XSX. Choose 120FPS mode, look around in the armor menu then choose 30FPS. Night and Day man. It was not like this in S1. Some redditors also were wondering wtf happened when S2 launched with the image quality. I guess it's those "eagle eyed" Halo players š¤£
If DF want to test some other games that have frame pacing issues at 120hz Resident Evil 2 is another one that I found would have issues at the intro with the gas station.
Due to this and Halo I just leave my TV at 60Hz now, as I've noticed this with one or two other titles as well.
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VRR also doesn't smooth out frame drops in Halo 3 and Halo 4 at 120hz on the MCC.
Due to this and Halo I just leave my TV at 60Hz now, as I've noticed this with one or two other titles as well.
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VRR also doesn't smooth out frame drops in Halo 3 and Halo 4 at 120hz on the MCC.
Thank you, Digital Foundry. I genuinely believe your (continued) feedback has lead to technical improvements that wouldn't otherwise have happened in Halo Infinite.
The temporal upscaling at 120hz gives it more clarity than any of the Halo games on the 360. It's comparable IQ wise to MW on the Xbox One which was 800x900 at most times. Given how readable Halo is, the 120hz mode is definitely recommended on the S over the 60h mode for multiplayer. I did wish they had separated the modes for sp and mp tho.
540p today is not the same as 10 years ago.
I see people still holds resolution numbers high huh.
I see people still holds resolution numbers high huh.
Its not 540p like the old days
I still think you could probably count the number of people that can notice an increase from 60FPS to 70-90FPS but wouldn't be bothered by dropping the resolution that much. And also would need a VRR capable TV.
Did you watch the vid? If you didn't there's some pretty noticeable issues with VRS at that resolution where it introduces flickering (looks kind of like macroblocking).
Yeah. But the talk was about 540p above. That 540p isnt the same as 540p back in the day.
Yeah, but the other poster was clearly implying that due to the visual glitches introduced with VRS when the res drops to 540p that it in fact looks worse than native 540p. Which DF kind of jokes about in the vid.
Won't have time to watch the video until later tonight but based off the summary isn't it only 540 at 120hz?
Yeah, which is not a problem for most people. Just don't think those that excuse it as '540p isnt the same as 10 years ago' people think it makes as much sense as they think it does unless it uses DLSS.
It uses temporal reconstruction. It really looks much better than 540p would look like 10 years ago.
Looking better than it does 10 years ago doesnt mean it still doesnt look blurry as hell.
Look, be happy that there's an option for those that insist on playing at 120fps. That's fine, I agree with you.
but trying to talk down on people that thinks it looks bad aint it.
Yeah I was going to mention Halo 4. The Jungle level drops very noticeably and made me think there was something wrong with this whole VRR stuff.
Hopefully these issues get fixed some day. RE2 next gen version is coming so fingers crossed.
Great video again from DF.
This is very noticeable when using Dolby Vision but isn't as obvious when using HDR10.
Still bizarre and I hope it gets fixed.
Edit: sorry for the double post.
HI at 120hz on XSX is definitely not the best mode, as the VRR is fucked. Fine when you're indoors but when outside and the framerate drops below 120, it has the same issue as PC and stutters as the VRR doesn't work properly due to the weird Vsync stuff.
There's not much reason to play the campaign at 120hz on Series S as VRR doesn't work and it's a big step down. But multiplayer it's totally fine imo, and DF agrees. Hopefully by Season 3 (or some Drop Pod) they release a Vsync/VRR/frame pacing fix.
Great update. XSX at 60fps is still my preferred way to play. Super smooth and no issues to have to sort through.
SP right? I played that at 60hz. MP at 120hz I have not noticed any issues.
I am glad they have made some improvements
Thanks to df for the continued coverage of issues. I think it truly has led to fixes/improvements that we wouldn't have gotten otherwise, and I think that will continue to be the case with this new video out. That said, I doubt vrr will ever function well given what one of the devs said in the gdc talk on halo infinite rendering. He sounded like the engine is designed to out out a constant framerate, and that framerate can be arbitrary as long as it is constant, but variable framerate for whatever reason is not recommended.
I know it is likely a long way off given the current state of the game, but I do hope they add in raytracing eventually, particularly in the form of Ray traced gi. No idea if that will be feasible performance wise with the current engine setup, but I think that is where the game would benefit most as screen's pace reflections are good enough for the forerunner structures and few bodies of water and shadows while not amazing are not worth doing in a ray traced form (unless this means that all lights actually cast shadows, which is a huge limitation in halo right now especially with a dynamic light like the flashlight).
Thanks to df for the continued coverage of issues. I think it truly has led to fixes/improvements that we wouldn't have gotten otherwise, and I think that will continue to be the case with this new video out. That said, I doubt vrr will ever function well given what one of the devs said in the gdc talk on halo infinite rendering. He sounded like the engine is designed to out out a constant framerate, and that framerate can be arbitrary as long as it is constant, but variable framerate for whatever reason is not recommended.
I know it is likely a long way off given the current state of the game, but I do hope they add in raytracing eventually, particularly in the form of Ray traced gi. No idea if that will be feasible performance wise with the current engine setup, but I think that is where the game would benefit most as screen's pace reflections are good enough for the forerunner structures and few bodies of water and shadows while not amazing are not worth doing in a ray traced form (unless this means that all lights actually cast shadows, which is a huge limitation in halo right now especially with a dynamic light like the flashlight).
Thought something was up with the settings on my TV when I saw that during the startup lol.
It's a similar situation on PC. The smaller maps run perfectly fine, it's the open-world parts of the campaign where performance just takes a dump.
That... is pretty bad with VRR being a big deal nowadays. I'm pretty sure arbitrary, consistent framerates are still bad though. I set the game on my PC to run at 72 FPS, which it can hit consistently, and it was really juttery compared to 60.
Technically, if your display supports vrr the 72 fps should look fine if the game you are playing supports that framerate well. I think what the dev was saying though was someone could do what you have done, and set an arbitrary fps on a vrr display (such as 72) and as long as the game is constantly able to reach that performance it should be fine. The issue comes with the fact that that is not how most people use vrr (and you certainly cannot set arbitrary fps caps on console), so instead the framerate will vary from 84 to 72 to 68 etc. And that variation is what the engine does not handle well. If it was just a straight 72 fps all the time it would be OK, but again that is not the use case for most vrr.
All that said, take what I am saying with a huge grain of salt because I have no technical expertise or anything. The above was just how I interpreted the deb's presentation.
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So this game still feels like it's in beta after all this time. Maybe in 5 years it'll run as I expected it to, like MCC
