PSVR 2 is a great name, just like PS5 Pro will be.
We know what expect with the hardware. The same games on from the base hardware but a bit shinier .
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Digital Foundry: Do we need mid gen refreshes(PS5 Pro/Xbox Series X Pro)?
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PSVR 2 is a great name, just like PS5 Pro will be.
We know what expect with the hardware. The same games on from the base hardware but a bit shinier .
Not that you can probably say, but does this include the Series S or just the X?
This is what I said too. Chasing 2023 which is very near to bring substantial upgrades is just insane considering the situation of productions and the evolution of Hradware and its cost. 2024 is a nice compromise to see tech mature decently and be affordable. Also It seems Sony realized that the AMD roadmap is not that fast or very promising so according to the known patents they are alrteady thinking their iwn features with double SOC and dedicated RT cores. We may see non usual stuff more than the current consoles.
Of course there's demand. You can say that about any game, "would you like to play this game but at double the resolution,frame rate, ray tracing density ", etc. Who's going to say no to that?
What I'm saying is the option of performance profiles isn't a compromise just because the game has them. Well, no more than a game without them has compromised. But when people see them they immediately think, "why not both ". It will definitely make those pro patches easier anyway.
Its inevitable that more powerful hardware will come out, but its also inevitable that your going to pay a lot for them.
2013(PS4)----2016(PS4 slim,PS4 Pro)----2020(PS5)----2024(maybe a PS5 slim or maybe a PS5 Pro) the time line for xbox is similar but they also had new hardware in 2017.
2013(PS4)----2016(PS4 slim,PS4 Pro)----2020(PS5)----2024(maybe a PS5 slim or maybe a PS5 Pro) the time line for xbox is similar but they also had new hardware in 2017.
I don't see why a new PS VR will see the light but not a Pro console. Rememebr how PS4 Pro helped a lot with rendering on PS4 Pro and PS5 is even helping more. RE7 is just unplayable on PS4 due to the side noise or dithering or whatever it was to limit screen resolution that was corrected on PS4 Pro.
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Why increase resolution when it's already near/at 4K? Scaling up RT also isn't that easy and probably requires lots of testing to avoid slowdowns in certain areas. For games that already have a 60fps mode (which is almost every game), the easiest way to make use of the extra power is to simply uncap the framerate of quality mode.
hell no. they've barely begun to even tap into any of the power of the new machines. no reason to waste money on a refresh when i doubt it's that significant an improvement over what we already have now.
i'd rather save that cash for the next numbered console.
i'd rather save that cash for the next numbered console.
This poll in a hardcore video game forum is not going to reflect the general population
I'd buy a PS5 Pro in a heartbeat while most can't even get their hands on a PS5 today
I'd buy a PS5 Pro in a heartbeat while most can't even get their hands on a PS5 today
Imagine the PS5 Pro with double the size of the PS5 and douible the noise of PS4 Pro.
When I imagine this, this image always comes to my mind. XD
That's the PS5 Slim wdymImagine the PS5 Pro with double the size of the PS5 and douible the noise of PS4 Pro.
When I imagi,ne this, this image always comes to my mind. XD
And the mid-gen consoles will still be sold out and out of stock in no time. So they won't have any problem if they create them if some people here or anywhere say they won't need them or buy them.
For me personally, I would like to see upgrades to the motherboard and a size reduction.
PCIE 5.0 and USB4 so we can eventually play current gen games from external storage. Replace all USB-A with type C and upgrade to the newest WiFi/Ethernet standard.
Would also be nice if the Series consoles also got an Internal SSD expansion like the PS5 and vice versa. The memory card option is great for multiple consoles.
PCIE 5.0 and USB4 so we can eventually play current gen games from external storage. Replace all USB-A with type C and upgrade to the newest WiFi/Ethernet standard.
Would also be nice if the Series consoles also got an Internal SSD expansion like the PS5 and vice versa. The memory card option is great for multiple consoles.
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they definitely served a good purpose last-gen and I enjoyed the hell out of my X1X, it was a quality machine. Right now it doesn't make much sense, just due to the way things have gone so far this gen, but maybe that will change by 2024 or whenever they schedule them to drop.
I think slims (especially a ps5 slim) would be a pretty popular revision though
A size reduction in a pro version while patents show that the console may have double SOC? Don't count on that at all. I have never seen an upgrade in hardware that came witha size reduction tbh. what you are asking for is a PS5 slim.
I still can not fathom how some games are still 1080p even for this gen. This can't be helped.
Also been spoiled by 120fps fortnite and warzone, feels great but looks soft. There's always such massive catches that ruin something lol
People are approaching this as if the PS4P and X1X were ever anything but niche consoles that sold to a far smaller demographic than the base consoles.
The mid-gen refreshes will sell to the same people who bought them last time, except this time the draw will be performance and fidelity instead of pixel counts. The PS5 and Series X aren't going to be doing raytracing and 120fps forever, and there will be a market for console players who want to hit those frame and visual targets.
The consumer who would buy a PS5 Pro or Xbox Series "Elite" is already anticipating them. The consoles sold out yesterday. The current new-gen consoles are just okay on the power scale, stop acting like they are titans.
The mid-gen refreshes will sell to the same people who bought them last time, except this time the draw will be performance and fidelity instead of pixel counts. The PS5 and Series X aren't going to be doing raytracing and 120fps forever, and there will be a market for console players who want to hit those frame and visual targets.
The consumer who would buy a PS5 Pro or Xbox Series "Elite" is already anticipating them. The consoles sold out yesterday. The current new-gen consoles are just okay on the power scale, stop acting like they are titans.
Hopefully they do, i want to get out of this dumb expensive hobby and wasting money on a console that wasnt even properly tested and is already going to be outdated is a good way to finally do it
Exactly. It is not that it will cause any problem for Sony or MS to create new mid-gen consoles and have hard time selling them, especially now. The worldwide situation caused a sensation of FOMO in many producst so they are sure to sell those consoles in no time regardless of the numbers they provide or how many people bought base consoels or still looking for them. Tbh, it will be both beneficial for the companies and players to get the mid-gen consoels by then than the base ones and if anything the current situation shwoed that people are willing to pay double or 3 times or more the price of the consoles to get them so mid-gen refreshes won't bother anyone.
The overwhelming majority of people would say no, assuming a premium in price.
In the year after the PS4 Pro launched, more than 80% of customers opted for the base PS4 over the Pro, and that was with a model with a clearer marketing hook than most of what's been discussed in this thread so far.
Never upgraded from my OG model PS4 and don't see myself buying a refreshed PS5. Maybe if I didn't buy a 3090 last year, I would think about it... but we're set this generation, as far as PC/PS5 gaming goes.
Nope. Current gen consoles are hard enough to come by as it is. The only reason I see the need for a mid-gen upgrade is if the current architecture was in the way of developers to make great games. There's barely enough current gen content to even tell at this point, but from what I'm seeing over on the PC side, the answer to that is "no".
Optimize the current architecture. Allow devs to really spend some time with the hardware. Make great and groundbreaking games. Ray tracing to me is not going to make a game great, it will only make a bad game look good.
Spend the R&D on optimizing the design for efficiencies and cost reductions. Make this gen affordable so that everyone can experience the great games they're going to make for it.
Optimize the current architecture. Allow devs to really spend some time with the hardware. Make great and groundbreaking games. Ray tracing to me is not going to make a game great, it will only make a bad game look good.
Spend the R&D on optimizing the design for efficiencies and cost reductions. Make this gen affordable so that everyone can experience the great games they're going to make for it.
It's kinda crazy to me to be talking about a mid gen refresh already when people are still having so much trouble even buying PS5s or Series consoles…that combined with we're still getting cross gen games has me voting no.
Interesting. What do you think/know of the release windows? I can't imagine they would be out by holiday 2024
And to answer the thread - No I don't think we need a refresh but I will most likely buy day 1 because I'm a sucker for buying new technology/gaming systems lol
Sort, I wasn't talking about demand for hardware there. Just general demand for higher fidelity.
I really don't want to reset the clock on finding another console. The others are hard enough to find already
Yes.
The RDNA2 GPUs in consoles are just not good enough for RT in a larger scale, like UE5 Lumen.
They just fall short and most implementations already feel heavily gimped compared to PC.
This should be the generation where truly hybrid renderers can dominate, but that is just not possible with the current generation.
The RDNA2 GPUs in consoles are just not good enough for RT in a larger scale, like UE5 Lumen.
They just fall short and most implementations already feel heavily gimped compared to PC.
This should be the generation where truly hybrid renderers can dominate, but that is just not possible with the current generation.
We barely have any current gen games to begin with, so ofc we don't need them. I swear some people just want a shiny new thing to buy, even tho the new thing they bought a couple of years ago barely has been tapped into.
I was one of the people that got a PS4 Pro last gen and I'm definitely not gonna do that again this time around. At least this way by the time PS6 comes out, I can enjoy it as a PS5 Ultra by the time cross-gen is done 2-3 years into PS6's life cycle.
I was one of the people that got a PS4 Pro last gen and I'm definitely not gonna do that again this time around. At least this way by the time PS6 comes out, I can enjoy it as a PS5 Ultra by the time cross-gen is done 2-3 years into PS6's life cycle.
We also basically had the same discussion last gen and the primary reason people were against it was because they didn't like the idea of having an inferior experience to someone else and they didn't want to shell out the money to upgrade. Aside from better RT and higher resolutions, I'd personally buy a Pro if it means they can extract more performance out of the hardware for VR games.
Do we want it? Of course the enthusiasts do, but the economics of it don't make sense.
The damn PS4 and XBO couldn't get below $300 outside special discounts and bundles for Black Friday generally. The more powerful consoles didn't replace the old MSRPs, and stayed steady too. How much more of a premium can the market bare for consoles that are already $500 for the more advanced of each? How many tens of millions in R&D would that cost, on top of the loss of production to make room for it, all for potentially less profit margin than the consoles they are making now and selling at cost essentially. How many would they have to sell to make it worth while. They want people locked into their ecosystems, and premium consoles just skim money off the hardcore, not get into new homes.
They had a reason last gen. They knew the amd chip they shipped with was weak but necessary, and 4k was an easy sell marketing wise for what they expected to be a 7+ year generation. RT is simply not that the equivalent sell when a huge amount of people are still on 1080p TV's, especially in a recession.
The damn PS4 and XBO couldn't get below $300 outside special discounts and bundles for Black Friday generally. The more powerful consoles didn't replace the old MSRPs, and stayed steady too. How much more of a premium can the market bare for consoles that are already $500 for the more advanced of each? How many tens of millions in R&D would that cost, on top of the loss of production to make room for it, all for potentially less profit margin than the consoles they are making now and selling at cost essentially. How many would they have to sell to make it worth while. They want people locked into their ecosystems, and premium consoles just skim money off the hardcore, not get into new homes.
They had a reason last gen. They knew the amd chip they shipped with was weak but necessary, and 4k was an easy sell marketing wise for what they expected to be a 7+ year generation. RT is simply not that the equivalent sell when a huge amount of people are still on 1080p TV's, especially in a recession.
I probably won't buy a mid-gen upgrade this time around unless there are HUGE differences. I only did last gen because the base consoles were so woefully underpowered.
MS and Sony built their base consoles good this gen so I see no reason to.
Switch Pro though, sign me up.
MS and Sony built their base consoles good this gen so I see no reason to.
Switch Pro though, sign me up.
What we need are freakin games.
Not cross-gen games, not remakes, remasters, turning settings to high-ultra and selling it as a new package. We need true games. Let's get some games that really show off the consoles that were released going on two years ago and then we can talk about mid-gen refreshes because until I start to see more game output then what is the point ?
Not cross-gen games, not remakes, remasters, turning settings to high-ultra and selling it as a new package. We need true games. Let's get some games that really show off the consoles that were released going on two years ago and then we can talk about mid-gen refreshes because until I start to see more game output then what is the point ?
$6/700 enhanced consoles incoming
I bet the inevitable recession hits right as they launch.