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Digital Foundry| Demon's Souls Remake: Gameplay Trailer Tech Breakdown + First Next-Gen Frame-Rate Analysis
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I would punctualize that, while I was "disappointed" in it not being 4k, it was thinking of it as benchmark. 1440p/60 with nice AA looks close enough.
The game has a resolution mode, they haven't said what it targets. Also 4K upload doesn't necessarily mean it's running at native 4K.
People seem to be overly obsessed with the number of pixels and not with the quality of the pixels (as Richard Leadbetter would say). All things being equal, higher resolutions are nice, but when a game looks like this (and at 60fps!), who gives a shit if it's 1440p or 2160p? Do you think RDR1 in 4K on XOX looks better than RDR2 at 900p on Xbox One S? Come on.
We don't know, but the fact that the demo ended with Vanguard kicking the player's butt with a prominent "You died" on screen seems like Bluepoint telegraphing that they're planning to keep the difficulty intact.
It reminded me of the "Prepare to die" marketing push Bamco did for the original Dark Souls.
We don't know, but the fact that the demo ended with Vanguard kicking the player's butt with a prominent "You died" on screen seems like Bluepoint telegraphing that they're planning to keep the difficulty intact.
It reminded me of the "Prepare to die" marketing push Bamco did for the original Dark Souls.
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You see how your PS4pro has 4K on marketing but its not actual 4K? At the end, its all marketing.
PS5 can output native 4K if needed. I think now the max output is 8K for PS5 and Xbox. Lol
Anyways developers can upscale their games to a "not real 4k" image and still be a good alternative to real native 4K.
Demon's Souls likely has 2 mode of play. 1440p/60 (which will upscale to 4k) or 4K native /30FPS.
I'll let someone answer with more technical info but we haven't seen the native 4k mode which will like be more impressive looking and may include Ray tracing technology.
Pixel counting will become a lost art this upcoming generation as it pertains to PS5 and Series X games because the quality of the image they can produce are almost CG, resolution doesn't matter with these systems. When Sony dropped the "4k" 60 trailer after the show i didn't see a single person question if it was actually 1440p because it looked like a crisp 4k image but now people are soooo disappointed it's not true 4k smh I'm glad most devs aren't hardliners and are making the best looking games they can make regardless of resolution
So you think the "reflection" of the glow light on the belt of the player in the puddle when jumping down at the beginning is a specular highlight? Cherno said it could be either that or RT iirc. But no other hints of RT in that footage
Crazy to see the difference in people's reactions when it comes to resolution x performance on each platform.
On PC people are celebrating the arrival of DLSS while on consoles there are still someones who complain that the game does not reach a certain native resolution, even though the end result is great.
On PC people are celebrating the arrival of DLSS while on consoles there are still someones who complain that the game does not reach a certain native resolution, even though the end result is great.
Obviously it couldn't run this at 1440p/60 it'd probably be 1080p or 900p/60, but if PS5 is 4k/30 then the Series S could probably do 1440p/30. A lot of people are saying 1440p doesn't look next gen, but from a pure visual perspective 1440p actually looks really good.
No dude. Series cant run this at 1440p/60fps thus the poor reception at series s. Have you not seen Dirt Series S gameplay?
I think if PS5 is 4k 30 fps. Series S will probably a res behind 1080p and 1440p and tons of other things will suffer. XSS has much less memory and this is the biggest complaint of developer and what Richard Leadbetter think will be a huge problem in the future.
watch this video
Its damn impressive that its 1440p 60. Honestly on the 4k YouTube video it looked so clean and sharp I would have thought its native 4k, so this is extremely exciting!
....why is anyone complaining. Anyone.
Are y'all seeing what's being rendered? The fidelity? The framerate?
Until DF pixel counted, no one said shit about resolution. Yo, for real, wtf is wrong with some of y'all?
Are y'all seeing what's being rendered? The fidelity? The framerate?
Until DF pixel counted, no one said shit about resolution. Yo, for real, wtf is wrong with some of y'all?
1440p has 44% the pixelcount of 4k, xss has 39% the power of ps5, so that might work out in some cases, not in others. But other things will probably be dialed down too
(let me know if the calculation doesnt make sense)
I had two, but I've had to explain to tons of people that the system even existed.
It was a brand brand new game that had a wii u and switch port. Not a 10 year old Remake.
Peeps who are "concerned" or "worried" were never going to buy this game or ps5 anyways.
My guess.
Much concern trolling going on in this thread from much concern over performance of an unfinished title dipping to mid-50s with screen tearing locked to top and/or bottom 10% screen to claim a well design box would need a performance mode (the latter I partially agree with but it has absolutely nothing to do with "Design of the box" which is an inane statement for next gen consoles, but rather as a design choice to placate maximum number of players).
So many people could not even tell what the stats were before a pro outlet provided people with numbers for both resolution and framerate.
It will be interesting to see how the final title fares once it hits retail. Depending on the cut backs, I may opt to go for the full fat fx experience (don't give a rats ass about it being native 4K though) at stable/locked 30fps which would still be a far cry from how the OG title ran on PS3 on occasion.
So many people could not even tell what the stats were before a pro outlet provided people with numbers for both resolution and framerate.
It will be interesting to see how the final title fares once it hits retail. Depending on the cut backs, I may opt to go for the full fat fx experience (don't give a rats ass about it being native 4K though) at stable/locked 30fps which would still be a far cry from how the OG title ran on PS3 on occasion.
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What's the talk surrounding this game regarding platforms it's releasing on? Was that all cleared up?
To my knowledge, yes. Sony reuploaded the video later and clarified that the title was PS5 exclusive and that OG video's ending was in error.
Yeah it will be interesting to see, that's pretty close. It also helps that the CPU speeds and core counts are very similar. It would certainly be able to do above 1080p. Also resources don't scale completely linearly. 4k is usually more demanding than a straight linear relationship would lead to to believe.
The Series S has 39% the power and 1080p is 25% of 4k so it has plenty of headroom from a GPU count to run a 4k PS5 game at 1080p or above. I have watched that video and the RAM is a bigger issue, but that will be more about texture quality and size instead of resolution.
What I hope from next gen is a 4k/30 and a 1440p/60 standard. That would be a pretty big jump from the 1080p/30 standard of current gen.
DLSS is not native 4K though. It's just yet another method of reconstruction. Even VRS ends up resolving at a sub native resolution.
it would be the best thing for the gen to have those two options in most games
The devs already confirmed RT and other analysis of the same footage has identified proof of RT reflections being on, nothing about RT shadows yet though. It's more than safe to assume it's there imo.
That aside I assume the first DF comparisons on multiplatform next gen games will be graveyards with banned people. I'll just say, if you care that much about the highest resolution and framerate build a PC. We will see 1440p games on all next gen platforms.
We all should welcome options in terms of resolution and framerate, the power is in your hands to choose what you prefer.
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Woah, 1440p, that's crazy considering how clean it looks even on Youtube. How crisp will the 4k mode direct from PS5 look on our TVs🤯 Too bad I have to go to bed, will watch the video tomorrow.
Quick question for people who have played the SOTC remake (I have it, but I don't play it because I don't want to kill the Colossii): can you switch performance mode and quality mode on the fly? Thinkimg about screenshots...unless they have a solid photo mode that automatically goes into quality mode.
Quick question for people who have played the SOTC remake (I have it, but I don't play it because I don't want to kill the Colossii): can you switch performance mode and quality mode on the fly? Thinkimg about screenshots...unless they have a solid photo mode that automatically goes into quality mode.
The full 4K will be sharp as heck. Maybe PS5 Pro will be sold for that at 60fps.
Is it using the original engine?
Is it using the original engine?
It's pretty amusing. How can it possibly be "disappointing" when no one had a clue until Digital Foundry spent ages counting the pixels?
Its embarrassingly silly to me whenever I see stuff like that.
Like they are all quiet and content then the second someone counts pixels and tells them its not 4K they suddenly become disappointed.
It was the same thing with the UE5 demo everybody was floored.....until they announced it was 1440p then it became divisive I'm getting to old for this shit
Before DF/NXG/VG Tech roll out their stats, most people be like:
Then when numbers rolled in a portion of them were like:
Now in this thread they're like:
Paraphrasing: "Will the performance hold or get better?", "Is the PS5 a well designed box?"
It's even dumber when you consider native 4K @ 60fps is very difficult to do with visually demanding games even on the best PCs money can buy. It is beyond me that people's expectations are this out of whack. Imagine if we got not so cutting edge hardware like we did in 2013 instead of the better than usual console boxes we're getting in November? This place would have burned to the ground.
If 4K/60 is that critical to you build a fucking PC Jesus Christ. Console hardware is not the arena where that will be the norm any time soon.
Has it been confirmed that PS5 games will support VRR? I realise the console will, being HDMI 2.1, but not seen Sony talking about supporting it yet in games etc? At least then any slight dips from 60 will be unnoticeable, although the final version will be a locked 60 regardless.
I say wait on the RT Thing, specifically regarding what it is and if it exists at all. And no, i do not believe for a second another analysis found actual incrovertible evidence of it. The reflections here are not RT.
Wait, you think we actually enjoy games here?
It's all about throwing bigger numbers at each other in forum arguments.
The race to native 4K will be over quicker than you can say Umbasa.
We're getting results from 1440p output that look so good that people think it's native 4K and have to be told it's not. DLSS solutions can reconstruct lower than 4K images into ones than look better than native 4K. It's not the be all and end all.
We're getting results from 1440p output that look so good that people think it's native 4K and have to be told it's not. DLSS solutions can reconstruct lower than 4K images into ones than look better than native 4K. It's not the be all and end all.
Can we have someone translate the power of these consoles into bits? If we're going to have these same idiotic pissing contests I prefer to bring back something as dumb as "how many bits can it do".
