And it's not like Control is a "typical" game, by any means. Its rendering tech is crazy CPU-hungry, compared to other TPS titles.
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Digital Foundry: Control Ultimate Edition on PlayStation 5: The Next Generation Tech Review
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And it's not like Control is a "typical" game, by any means. Its rendering tech is crazy CPU-hungry, compared to other TPS titles.
Yep. If it hadn't been for the pc setting comparison, people would have been happy with this version.
Lol, I don't think people here realize how intensive "low" is for PC settings.
that image on the front page should be removed. It does nothing for this thread except garbage drive by comments.
that image on the front page should be removed. It does nothing for this thread except garbage drive by comments.
This reads like you have no idea how game development works. Especially your belief that you just "slap dynamic res" on a game and "call it a day". It's pretty misguided, and the sheer amount of work it takes to optimize a game even with dynamic resolution scaling / temporal upsampling shouldn't be discounted. Honestly, your take here borders closely on "lazy dev" rhetoric and it's flat-out wrong.
Teams still spend a massive amount of time working on pipeline and engine optimizations, dynamic res scaling or not. Games will always continue to be optimized outside of considerations for AI upscaling, but even if they were to take on AI upscaling as a core pillar of their rendering pipeline (should the tech be sufficiently widely available on consumer hardware), why would this be a bad thing? The produced results are often as good if not better than native rendering.
Development teams have an immense amount of workload today, anything that alleviates that workload is a plus and should be treated as such.
Damn I wish I could pre install like on my series x, cant wait to play it tomorrow though, I liked what little I played on gamepass .Johns video about to be a blood bath...
A last gen game and this is what they can do with the new hardware?
I mean...even the 30fps mode can go down to 27fps in some moments like explosions close to the camera.
What engine did they use for this?
I mean...even the 30fps mode can go down to 27fps in some moments like explosions close to the camera.
What engine did they use for this?
I'm excited to play this on PS+. Lol I watched the video and came away impressed, come here and its your typical dog show. That guy couldn't wait to post that pic.
Remedy imo never had a great engine, they are doing impressive things but the end result is usually artifacts and blurriness. While usually I would go straight to performance mode, I feel this game is made for RT so I'll play in Graphics mode. They did a good job with the port if you actually watch the vid.
Remedy imo never had a great engine, they are doing impressive things but the end result is usually artifacts and blurriness. While usually I would go straight to performance mode, I feel this game is made for RT so I'll play in Graphics mode. They did a good job with the port if you actually watch the vid.
"last gen" is a pretty meaningless term. The 'last gen' versions of the game looked night and day different than the PC version, which still would kick the shit out of new consoles.
Control is a very demanding game with extremely good bells and whistles.
It is not just AI upscaling. DLSS uses real information from past and current frames. It is actually how the pixels are supposed to look in the best case. The part the AI is doing in DLSS 2.0 is not imagining what the image is supposed to look like. The AI is controlling how to merge information from previous frames into the current one without the errors introduced by normal temporal anti-aliasing.
It is not imagining pixels like a more typical offline AI upscaler.
1440p at 60 fps with very few drops on PS5. Higher settings than what they chose? Well then the FPS dips more often below 60.
Honestly don't let this stuff get to you. It'll all be irrelevant tomorrow regardless when we can all try the PS5 version out ourselves with Plus. It looks great regardless of the settings, and for those of us who haven't been kidding ourselves that the PS5 is a 2080ti there's no disappointment whatsoever. The only thing I cared about is that the 60fps mode is locked.
Control was a taxing game in 2019 and with RTX it's even worse.
PS5 is using AMD, and we all know AMD RT solution is middling at best.
Not surprising to see low settings are needed to achieve stable framerate at a higer res
There's nothing last gen in Control lol
Take a look at the tech behind the game + RTX and come tell me it's a last gen game.
PS5 is using AMD, and we all know AMD RT solution is middling at best.
Not surprising to see low settings are needed to achieve stable framerate at a higer res
There's nothing last gen in Control lol
Take a look at the tech behind the game + RTX and come tell me it's a last gen game.
Is there a future where we could switch modes with a button press? Or the game could do it automatically when you enter combat? I want RT when walking around, but 60 when in combat.
Name one last gen game with raytraced reflections on consoles.
This is true. My PS4 Pro almost died to render the game. Every time i left the menu it would freeze for a second as well lmao.
I know how it works, but should have made it more clear. If display is 1440p then render would be likely lower like 1080p. This is assuming they are upscaling like they did with Quantum Break.
Either way I am defering to the developer to choose what results in the best IQ.
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Yup, there's literally so little difference in some of these settings between low and medium. The game just has a high hardware requirement entry point even at low.
Please tell me if you can tell the difference.
DLSS is an Nvidia owned technology. You won't see it on AMD based consoles.
Now, that's not to say that AMD won't have their own AI upscaling tech on consoles eventually, but it won't be DLSS
Oh, well didn't think about this.
But I assume DLSS is pretty new, isn't it? So we might see their approach in a few years perhaps.
DLSS itself won't be as it's Nvidia technology, but AMD seems to be working on some kind of tech which could be their equivalent. We'll just have to wait and see though.
Edit: Beaten.
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I guess crysis also fall into the bucket of "last gen games that's still taxing on current hardware".
AMD is supposedly working on a software solution that's like DLSS. If it works well enough, you might not need to wait for the refresh to see it.
I wonder if AI upscaling without bespoke hardware that Nvidia cards have will make any sense tbh. If you can have things like temporal injection on consoles, which brings image quality high enough that no sane person would care that it could be even a bit higher with AI upscaling, and and AI upscaling solution that is nearly as expensive as rendering at a higher native solution (which I expect to be the case without bespoke hardware) - then what's the point of console AI upscaling?
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To be honest, I'm mostly disappointed by the low texture filtering. The rest of those settings are ok, but texture filtering is such a small performance hit for such a good boost to image quality.
That's kind of the question, isn't it? Will a software based solution even make sense in terms of performance gains? I have no idea, but that's on AMD to figure out, not me :P
Pretty decent chance for the Xbox Series XL to have it since something that was mentioned to be apart of their new tools (forgot the name). PS5 Pro highly unlikely considering Sony has their own very good upscaling tech like temporal injection & CB rendering, which will continue to be improved.
A software solution simply will never work nearly as well as DLSS does with dedicated cores, especially considering nVidia's efforts in AI. I don't look forward to a software-only solution from AMD as it'll be nothing like what people have grown to expect from DLSS.
Yeah it's strange. Even booting up RE3 on PC this weekend in high defaulted to 4x if I recall correctly.
Yeah, Nvidia with their tensor cores really nailed the AI upscaling thing with DLSS. It's gonna be impossible to match that with software.
Control's console settings are where I expected them to be, they needed big cuts (compared to a high-end PC + DLSS) if they wanted 60fps or 30fps + RT and that's what happened. The visuals seem mostly intact though if people didn't like how low-resolution some effects in the game normally looks, this won't really help. Distant LOD reduction would probably be distracting to me too. It's also a little difficult to compare PC performance if those custom settings like RT and LOD aren't available due to the updated engine.
Indeed. The physics alone firmly put this game in next gen territory. Add what is the most extensive and complex ray tracing of any game with RTX, and you've firmly got a next gen game through and through. Control was/is next gen before next gen even started, lol.
People are looking into these settings way too deeply, and likely without having watched the video first to gather the kind of tone that it presented. Playing this game maxed out on PC, with DLSS, these next gen enhancements still look very, very good to me, and people should be happy. No longer will it run super rough, like it did on last gen machines, and it looks significantly better, also.
I have to imagine that it's going to have exact parity with the PS5 version. But we'll see I guess.
who needs to see the actual game when you have the settings list in front of you
You really do not know what you're talking about. I suggest you watch DFs videos on DLSS, e.g. the Death Stranding one.
the differences between DLSS and TAA/other AA is more minimal that ray tracing on and off. I know people like to bring up the "will you even notice RT when your playing the game" but it's way the hell more in effect with the difference between DLSS and other AA. to the point were I feel most folks complaining about DLSS is just some sour grapes shit
Ehh did people actually watch the video? This looks and sounds great according to the video, and I have a hard time figuring out with mode to go with (whenever I get my hands on a ps5). Probably go with the graphics mode on this one as I have not experienced any game with raytracing.
RT looks really nice for this game on PS5. If I had not experienced this on PC, I'd gladly play through this again with the provided settings.