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Digital Foundry Control Console Analysis: A Brilliant Game But What's Up With Performance?
- Thread starter chandoog
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Sounds like PS3 and Xbox 360 games in 2011/2012 (Far Cry 3 comes to mind).
I typically notice poor frame rates. I quit Just Cause 2 because of the 15fps while driving. I'm only a couple hours into Control on the Pro, but I haven't noticed any drops. I also really like the game and wouldn't stop playing if the performance does get worse.
It's a damn shame. I've been watching this game considering giving it a go since there's nothing else for me lately, but I'm gonna pass for now. Pro performance is unacceptable, so I'm going to have to wait til the EGS deal is over. By then though, who knows if I'll even still be interested given more stuff may be coming out at that time.
I don't think anyone is trying to dictate what devs do; this isn't an ethical argument about dev rights and the oppression of creativity.
But it's perfectly reasonable to expect games to run to an acceptable standard on a technical level, just like it's reasonable to expect songs not to have random audio drops or films not to have a boom mic in shot.
Well, it wasn't meant to be a snipe at Thomas who genuinely seems like a cool guy, but more of a request of an official comment on the situation: can it be fixed or even made better? Should be quite quick and easy to drop a comment like "we are aware of the performance issues. We are sorry and will work our asses off to fix it" or something in that manner. Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings... I'm just a bit annoyed as I really waited to play this and bought it day one and now I just have to wait if it can or will be ever fixed.
do we know if this video included the day one patch? Perhaps that's a factor. Also, I read the beginning is more stable than later on. Keep us updated on your experience.
My wife really wanted this, but we only have a base PS4 so theres just no way we can support a game this poorly optimized.
I would not be suprised, Alan Wake did something similar on PC if I remember correctly.
This is the nail in the coffin for people that think it's too early for a new generation of consoles. I'm on the other end of the spectrum, I was ready in 2016 and the half step consoles didn't go far enough.
For what it's worth I'm playing Control on the X and loving it. Can't wait to see what Remedy do when they push next gen hardware to its limits.
For what it's worth I'm playing Control on the X and loving it. Can't wait to see what Remedy do when they push next gen hardware to its limits.
what ridiculous, hyperbolic comments. thank god Remedy didn't compromise on their vision. at the end of the day, console performance issues will be a very minor footnote (if that) in the way people talk about this game in the history while the game's creativity, interactivity, and phenomenal design will live on and continue to be talked about for years and years as it becomes easier to run without issue on more powerful hardware. unless you think Bayonetta's terrible console performance is all people care about when discussing that game in 2019 and somehow soured people from checking out any future Platinum games. but nah it isn't lol. people talk about its amazing combat and gameplay. those things, their vision, will live on for years. console performance won't.
And? So consumers can suck it up and play versions which barely run coz developers wanted to make more money off them without even providing a decent experience?
Devs can aim for 2080ti graphic card as base for all i care. When you release your game on a platform atleast provide a decent playable experience. Your defense is nonsense.
They could've waited to release the game on hardware that could run it.
Nobody's going to remember a game nobody played.
yeah wait years to release a finished game because it has some drops that are difficult to replicate and QA
lol you think nobody is going to play Control? i can't tell if you're being serious
Is there a contest today for who can say the most hyperbolic thing concerning Control? Cause if so we have a new leader!
If it runs this shittily on base hardware, word will spread and people won't buy the game. 11 frames per second is shameful performance.
no sorry this is just ridiculous. this is projection and wishful thinking on your part. the game is selling very well and based on every pre and post release indication it's going to be remedy's most successful game in a long time. and thank god for that, it's a wonderful game
Great, so I guess all is forgiven, huh? Who gives a shit about people being hoodwinked out of their money because PC gamers get catered to.
It's shit. You shouldn't support developers who don't strive for baseline-acceptable performance across all platforms.
lol, you're not being hoodwinked out of anything. buy the game or don't buy it. but you're completely projecting when you say no one is going to buy this game because word of mouth will spread about the frame rate. you are completely overestimating how much the general audience cares about that type of thing
don't tell me who i should or shouldn't support. god, if they stripped out the interactivity and dynamic elements to make it run slightly better on extremely outdated tech that would make the game so much worse. thank god they didn't. hopefully they can patch it to iron out some of the issues though!
Have you played the game?
Once it loads, there is no extra loading at all when entering different areas. It's a seamless experience.
Looking at the DF video and from my personal experience, the drops aren't difficult to replicate at all. In the video, the game drops frames across all consoles in the exact same area against the exact same enemies.
I don't see how asking a developer to ship a game that runs at a stable framerate on base(and pro) consoles(especially the console it was marketed for the most) is asking for them to "sacrifice their vision". it's on them, not the consumer to ship something that doesn't regularly drop major frames. It's clear that they put out a an unoptimized product. This is coming from someone who is enjoying the game so far.
no, it's not that it's not optimized. it's that the hardware is extremely weak and outdated
So if Remedy patches the game and shores up a lot of the performance issues, it's still not unoptimized? It's not as if Remedy hasn't put out poorly performing games in the past. That response sounds like someone defending From Software's shitty frame pacing on console.
I don't know how you type that response out yet scoff at people criticizing Remedy for putting out a game in it's current state on most consoles.
I am 3 hours in and at the first boss and I have not had that happen as well. I am playing on the "X" and I have heard of this happening but I have not had that happen. I did do a "restart" of my "X" before I started playing the game though. This in the past has fixed some issues with the OS and certain games. A restart is using the restart option in the settings or turning the console off by holding the power button down for about 10 seconds wait a few then restart the console. Not sure if that has helped this issue not appear for me, but it worth a shot for those on "X" that have encountered this.
yes. just the way you're talking about this indicates a lack of understanding of the optimization process in general. if Remedy finds a way to patch this and make it run completely smooth on base consoles, i would be astonished. hopefully they can find a way to fix some of the more egregious drops, maybe with a dynamic res system or something along those lines, but some further optimizations being theoretically possible don't mean the game is unoptimized. it's just a very very advanced game running on very very weak and outdated hardware. sucks, but this always happens at the end of console generations and i can remember a lifetime of playing games with much worse performance issues than this that are regarded as classics and masterpieces for their time
The 1X is the only console with decent performance and even that isn't particularly good. The Pro struggles way too much for a premium console and the bar consoles are rubbish, basically unplayable.
The performance issues really start to show up after about 2 hours when you get your powers.
The performance issues really start to show up after about 2 hours when you get your powers.
I'm so torn about Control. I applaud Remedy for pushing tech further, and making a game that looks and plays (on PC and X1X anyway) amazing, but at the same time, it feels almost irresponsible to release the game in such a poor state on base consoles. The majority of console owners, and people playing the game in general, are going to be playing on the base PS4 and X1/X1S, and the way this game "controls" during these action sequences is astonishingly bad. Like, the worst performance I've ever seen this generation.....and I've played through and finished Just Cause 3. I'm just having a hard time understanding why they'd put the game out there in this state when the majority of players are going to experience an extremely rough version of it.
Remedy mentioned that they didn't have to crunch to finish the game, so that makes be doubly worried that we might not see performance patches that fix these problems. Control may just be too ambitious for its own good.
Remedy mentioned that they didn't have to crunch to finish the game, so that makes be doubly worried that we might not see performance patches that fix these problems. Control may just be too ambitious for its own good.
I know people are bummed but if you have played any remedy game ever this is pretty much parr for the course
In a console generation where the CPU is generally accepted as the weak link, these two things do not always play well together.
Base PS4 the worst of the lot?
Doesn't it have basically the same CPU as the base Xbox One?
Unless it's a "Remedy not overly familiar with PS4" thing
Doesn't it have basically the same CPU as the base Xbox One?
Unless it's a "Remedy not overly familiar with PS4" thing
Did you even read the article or watch the video?
Game is obviously not (very well) optimized for base consoles.
I don't know if the issues are cpu related, but even though base xbone and ps4 (and the pro and x, actually) all have the same cpu, the xbone cpu is clocked higher than the base ps4.