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Digital Foundry: Assassin's Creed Valhalla: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Next-Gen Comparison!
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The real PS5 advantage is Mark Cerny. And I'm not even joking.
These are good. It's like people just hit a wall if they don't completely get something. Who knows where we will be in a year or two. But there's much more here than TFs and SDKs.
Sure, and I agree.
Which is why I was so disappointed that AC Valhalla basically doesn't use the Dual Sense haptic rumble at all from the 3-4 hours I played. Every other launch game I tried used the Dual Sense, even Bugsnax! But Ubisoft doesn't seem to care about supporting it with AC and I'd assume Watchdogs.
So after watching the whole DF video including the bit about Series X VRR running smoothly, Im inclined to think that Ubi relied on that to provide a better performance, and spent more time on the PS5 to optimise (without VRR).
Valhalla for Series X might simply need an optimisation patch for people without a VRR enabled TV.
Valhalla for Series X might simply need an optimisation patch for people without a VRR enabled TV.
Playing on a series X at 60hz on a 2017 B7 OLED. Tearing is atrocious. Some of the worst I've seen. It's right there with far cry 3 on the 360 and the surge 2 upon release. In towns it's constant while panning and it's just not one part of the screen. It's everywhere.
That's clearly wrong. On my 60hz TV it tears constantly in cutscenes, large towns and big fights.
That would be worse than Sony's excuse to not include 1440p system resolution.
If he took his time with this, why didn't he do tests in the areas that are known to be trouble spots for the XSX. And I am not buying that whole set your TV to 60hz to get rid of the tearing stuff. Makes no sense to me. If you set your XSx tooutput120hz but the game peaks at 60hz, the XSX wil default to 60Hz.
Even if one was 5% better looking than the other, would it even fucking matter?
Pretty sure it's doing that with XGS games so far. Anyone expecting all 3rd party devs to do the same are in a fantasy land.
I agree with your general point and I appreciate you looking up the specs for exact numbers to illustrate it, but we've already had confirmation from devs that the XSX is more powerful and I've already stated several times that a higher clock speed has its own advantages - so I was writing with both of these things in mind. I'm not sure they would account for the differences we're seeing here in Valhalla because it seems to confound a lot of people who are familiar with these specs. We've also had confirmation that the GDKs are behind the curve. Occam's razor suggests it's probably just that and needs more optimization.
As for the quoted, I'm not sure if these three clauses related, but XSX also has I/O hardware to offload some of the CPU tasks and it has a more powerful audio processor than the PS5's. I don't know though if the processor in the PS5 is called the Tempest engine, or if that's just the name of their software using said processor - or both! - but both consoles are using additional hardware in the sound department.
XSX has IO hardware to offload CPU tasks, but Sony's implementation of it is much more advanced.
And no, we don't know if it has a more powerful audio processor than PS5. I doubt it, or else they would have shouted that out off the rooftops from day one.
Realistically, if Sony really wanted to put the nail in the coffin they should have released with Marble Madness PS5 Edition.
Yes it will.
Maybe it has to do with AC Valhalla having marketing rights with Xbox? They couldn't put extra features on the PS5 version if meant it could become a selling feature over the Xbox version of the game. Maybe once they get their initial sales, they will send a patch out to add it in down the road?
I don't know if advanced is right the word here, but Sony's solution is certainly more thorough, yes.
As far as audio: yes, we do know. It was shown off in the hotchips presentation. MS' own spatial audio solution isn't great though, and Sony's Tempest engine is a venture on that front to compete with Atmos and DTS, which work on a variety of hardware - but that's besides the point of both systems having audio hardware to keep the CPU free.
Did you actually just effectively say "What you care about, you don't care about?"
The average casual person wouldn't care maybe, but me, I certainly do because well, I'm an enthusiast gamer, love tech and am a game developer so I care about this stuff.
It's not 5% smoother. It averages out at about 15% less performant in the areas DF tested and at times it was more, with more tearing.
I saw the hotchips presentation, it doesn't say anything that can be use as a direct equivalent to Sony's. Even less that we know very little about Tempest, and only at a surface level.
If anything, I won't even compare both, and can't wait until GDC next year to learn more about how both systems work.
Honest question. Can you tell me why the PS5 is faster in the blue RATE sections if the overall GPU TF (Whish is related to clock speeds and CUs) is higher on the XSX.
I meant the audio hardware. It's 100gflops vs 147gflops. It honestly has little to do with how ambitious Tempest is (it's very ambitious and could be a tremendous gamechanger for Sony down the road) and how MS' own solution is contented to take a backseat to Atmos or DTS; it's just important in that it frees up both consoles' CPUs.
A little off-topic, but none of the PC benchmarks I've seen have the game running at mostly 60fps on a GTX 1080 at 1440p/high (e.g. here). You likely haven't yet come across areas in the game that stress the gpu. Moreover, it's not yet known what PC equivalent settings the PS5/Series X are running at; most likely not directly comparable to a specific PC preset, as is often the case.
Wonder if there is an issue on the way the console outputs when set to 120hz? Wonder if it's a hardware issue or something that could be fixed with patches
Is there a reason Ubisoft couldn't just use triple buffered vsync on Xbox? I doubt the increase in input lag would bother many people.
All the tearing talk got me wondering if my tv was ever updated with vrr, and apparently it just was a few days ago! I have the tcl 65r625 btw.
There are several people in this thread who have their TVs set to 60hz mode and are still seeing lots of tearing. My guess is his TV/monitor supports VRR up to 60hz and not 120hz, hence he's having a different experience at 60hz compared to everyone else and to the what the comparisons show.
This video is pure conjecture. I bought it on series X because I wanted the highest fidelity and the tearing is so bad that I bought it on ps5. And my series X is set to 60hz.
That was my point. You're talking about this right?
again it's hard to compare, because we are looking at it without understanding how both work, and how both are utilised. Especially considering these could be two different types of architectures. Comparing flops is pointless.
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This is my experience, playing on a Samsung KS8000. It's everywhere - towns, out in the wilderness, during dialogue, in cutscenes...
well well... guess I'll wait for more patches to stabilize/remove the tearing. I'll just continue to play AC Origins in the meantime, lol
I bought that second hand the other day and am going through it now. It'll keep me busy too until Valhalla drops in price and is patched.
Yeah man, runs/looks great (STILL) on a PS5 :)
Seriously, Origins is such an achievement if only for it's fidelity in representing the area/culture.
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Yeah, this might be the case... because there's virtually no tearing on Series X if you have a VRR set (I'd say that makes it the version to get if you have a capable TV, given that this feature doesn't exist on PS5 yet). It's a shame that everyone with a 4k set can't experience that.
One thing that I will note about DF is that as good as their work is, they have a tendency to miss/overlook performance issues in certain games, I've noticed. For example, Demons Souls on PS5 does not hold 60 all the time and has some frame tearing, but the recent video suggested that this only happens around load screens... Just not true (If you want to see an example of it in action go to 4-2 and run past the pickaxe guys to get to the drop-down shortcut to Flamelurker... as you run through the tunnel with 8 or so pickaxe guys it will shed frames every single time... and I've run into other problem areas). They mentioned in this video that there are reasons that the PS5 capture that they use makes it harder to detect drops for some reason, so I assume that this isn't deliberate bias, but sometimes they are fallible as well.
Yeah, this might be the case... because there's virtually no tearing on Series X if you have a VRR set (I'd say that makes it the version to get if you have a capable TV, given that this feature doesn't exist on PS5 yet). It's a shame that everyone with a 4k set can't experience that.
One thing that I will note about DF is that as good as their work is, they have a tendency to miss/overlook performance issues in certain games, I've noticed. For example, Demons Souls on PS5 does not hold 60 all the time and has some frame tearing, but the recent video suggested that this only happens around load screens... Just not true (If you want to see an example of it in action go to 4-2 and run past the pickaxe guys to get to the drop-down shortcut to Flamelurker... as you run through the tunnel with 8 or so pickaxe guys it will shed frames every single time... and I've run into other problem areas). They mentioned in this video that there are reasons that the PS5 capture that they use makes it harder to detect drops for some reason, so I assume that this isn't deliberate bias, but sometimes they are fallible as well.
So I was planning on picking this game up on xbox sometime ready for me getting a series x next year with all access before picking up a ps5 later, right now I'm gonna hold off because if there is one thing I can't take it's screen tearing, the ps3 was a nightmare for me for a lot of games I wanted to play because they constantly used adaptive vsync and shit that caused insane levels of tearing, borderlands 2 especially was just the worst situation of that for me, playing that game for even 10 minutes would give me awful headache for hours after because of the tearing. Not saying it's that bad on this game on series x but right now after seeing the video and people's reactions who have it I'm gonna wait and see if this is fixed in a patch but honestly hope that the push for 60fps and higher this generation doesn't turn from a dream come true to finally have on consoles into a nightmare of bad adaptive vsync and tearing hell again down the road when games push more and more on the tech because that's gonna kill any excitement I currently have for next gen.
Playing on an LG C8. Series X version, 60 hz, 4K. Tearing is nonstop.
This doesn't hold water.
I'm enjoying it so far too (Although wish it was 60fps :)) which is nice because I skipped all AC titles because I really didn't like bit I played of the first one.
I played about four hours today and only see light tearing during cutscenes. Haven't experienced anything yet in the open world and I'm especially sensitive to framerate issues. Older Sony x900e in game mode running in 4K, HDR. My TV doesn't have 120hz and no VRR.
Game is very nice looking in general. It's too bad the issues are causing people to either ditch the game or wait for a patch. I'm loving it so far.
Game is very nice looking in general. It's too bad the issues are causing people to either ditch the game or wait for a patch. I'm loving it so far.
Old x900e made me laugh. I just sold mine and my wife was like "we just got that tv"
Haha, my wife will NOT let me dump it this soon. I'm 3-4 years off from my next TV. I will say it's fantastic for everyday use, just lacks newer features (e.g. Dolby Vision, 120hz, HDMI 2.1, and VRR).