The edge of the axe against the white background looks better on the series console, looks konda weird on ps5 actually, like some sort of checkerboarding.
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Digital Foundry: Assassin's Creed Valhalla: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Next-Gen Comparison!
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I have both consoles and opted for Valhalla on Series X.
I got a TV with VRR, and honestly I haven't noticed tearing (saw it literally once during a load screen), though there are bugs like in any Ubisoft game. VRR truly seems like a lifesaver for ports like this.
PS5 really needs to implement it because it's inevitable that the system will eventually get a sloppy port. Have they mentioned when it might come to the console?
I got a TV with VRR, and honestly I haven't noticed tearing (saw it literally once during a load screen), though there are bugs like in any Ubisoft game. VRR truly seems like a lifesaver for ports like this.
PS5 really needs to implement it because it's inevitable that the system will eventually get a sloppy port. Have they mentioned when it might come to the console?
Just to clarify the 15% performance advantage I mention on PS5 I mention in the Video, which I really should have worded differently.
in the moment, there is indeed a greater than 15% performance advantage for PS5, but across the entire performance comp Clip the Computed average was 15%. That includes moments of course where the consoles perform more similar to eachother and Vsync makes them more equalised.
PS5 in the worst moments Is perform Ing BETTER than 15% as the video shows. So Bad wording on my Part.
what's a big multiplat dropping in six months? i can't think...
that will be an interesting comparison
that will be an interesting comparison
I guess the next real flashpoint will be the Cyberpunk nextgen patch, especially given that it's gotten an Xbox marketing deal.
These tools mature over a generation, they will get better for PS5 too, not as big of a jump than Microsoft's, but there will be one.
I'm guessing whatever's going on will be addressed. If it can't be, well, there's reasons I own both PS5 and XSX and one of those is flexibility. :)
Cyberpunk would have been interesting but it's running in BC mode and it's locked to 30 fps so it's kinda moot.
Yep even visible on a smartphone.
Marketing agreements have nothing to do with that. As someone pointed out, CoD Battle Royale runs better on Xbox and Sony has the marketing.
It's common sense that the XSX tools have been behind PS5. Back in June we saw an entire showcase where all games were running on PS5 hardware. And they all looked very polished to boot.
Then in the Xbox showcase in July, everything, literally everything, was running on a PC at similar specs to XSX. Still no sign of games running on XSX. Indeed, we didn't get our first glimpse of a game running on XSX hardware until as late as last month, with Dirt 5. And it looked rough, with... tearing.
So yeah, they're obviously behind, and that's without factoring in what the likes of DF and JS have mentioned.
Only time will tell if XSX performance will improve and close the gap, or even switch things around. But obviously something strange is going on - XSX has the more powerful GPU, faster bandwidth for VRAM, CPU in line with PS5, we know all this. So something is wrong. And I'm predicting a bit of a rollercoaster. But right now, PS5 is probably the safer bet for buying multi-plats, unless you have a VRR TV.
Of course. The question is how much the Series X dev tools will improve compared to PS5. The Series X has a significantly more powerful GPU & a slightly more powerful CPU so something isn't adding up here.
Fenyx Rising(Old "Gods and Monsters") is in a couple weeks, I think this is the next big multiplat, even if it doesn't look so demanding.
Honestly I expect the majority of games to start performing better on Series X soon, but I have to admit I did say in the past that 99% of multiplatforms would most likely be better on Xbox and now I'm thinking maybe it's gonna be a 70% vs 30% affair.
Still, the Series X is more powerful as mentioned by people who actually understand what they're talking about... (DF, Matt etc... not Tom Warren or Alberto lol) so I think expecting anything other than better performance on the X in the future is unlikely. The gaps will be small, though, that's for sure.
Still, the Series X is more powerful as mentioned by people who actually understand what they're talking about... (DF, Matt etc... not Tom Warren or Alberto lol) so I think expecting anything other than better performance on the X in the future is unlikely. The gaps will be small, though, that's for sure.
No one has even provided a compelling reason why they think it will swing the other way, just a bunch of nonsense really. People fighting over their favorite box, Xbox is taking a little on the chin so they have to come defend it with some hypothetical future where it dominates. In reality, these systems are the closest they've ever been and everyone should be happy.
The one unacceptable part I see in all of this is the tearing, that is just atrocious.
It does have less of that faster ram though, I wonder if Sony unified Ram solution helps it out might be slower but it's all the same speed Vs 10/6gb split
Yes they look a lot alike here.
I hadn't seen these.
Funny thing is, there's a number of differences in just those two shots, LOL.
For example, is the smoother edge on the Series X on the Axe/Scene here DRS or AA/DOF (or the lack of it) ??
Then, there's actually a texture loading difference the opposite direction on the face.
I'm spotting all kinds of things they don't mention, LOL.
(but they all probably fall under the umbrella of "bug" I guess)
Cyperpunk next gen version, and hopefully Resident Evil 8 is all I could think of.
I agree, I just don't think with the maturing of the tools it's going to get significantly better than 3rd parties on PS5, they will likely be much closer than they are now and that's about it, probably favoring the Xbox in a few frames here and there. I don't expect it to gain and exceed the PS5 by much.
I doubt anyone will be able spot the differences in a side-by-side comparison, no matter the game. Seriously, if that's possible then not because a dev went the extra mile on one console, but called it a day on the other.
The tearing is a real showstopper for me, though. Those are the kind of differences easy to spot. Ubisoft should fix this asap.
Pretty unprecedented to see the opposite so time may say something but the difference in this teraflop metric isn't significant enough for a night and day comparison.
It's pretty surprising and at least you know you're getting a solid port regardless of platform.
It's pretty surprising and at least you know you're getting a solid port regardless of platform.
I would normally don't get into this kind of comparison but the way this false advertising was done by Microsoft shills ( some well known reporters and Microsoft itself wasn't saint themselves), seeing actual performance close ( XSX will catch on) which was predicted by everyone who knew what they were talking about, makes me bit happy.
Yeah, I noted that too... I chalked it up to the fact that these are huge open world games with tons of random factors at play (NPCs, wildlife, time of day, etc...).
I appreciate DF's work here and the attempts to normalize comparisons (e.g. using scripted scenes), but in actual terms it's very, very hard to get 1:1 comparisons.
If that ends up being the case, then the question remains of where is this extra power on XSX going to?
Nobody in this thread thinks the Xbox will dominate. Both consoles are very close and they'll stay close. But I think there is a discussion to be had about the current performance of the Xbox version (performance) and how this might change in the future. Won't be a huge difference, but I expect Xbox to not have those weird hard drops anymore for example and perform ever so slightly better in most games in the future. As one of the mods pointed out there are some silly drops in DMC that don't make much sense.
It's beyond dumb and I want add to this further: FIRST. IMPRESSIONS. that's kind of why the Xbox one was a dumpster fire at the start, the higher price didn't help, but it was made worse when your average person saw games performing worse on it when compared to the ps4. I kind of feel some deja vu with these early observation tbh. I know Microsoft will fix it, but i worry by the time it happens, that gamers, like previously, will have already made thier Choice.
I don't think anyone is saying the XSX is dead in the water. And I think anyone would be silly to say that.
There has just been a LOT of talk leading up to this, and what we are seeing now is not what anyone expected. I mean, we had those saying to expect upwards of 20% advantages on the XSX and how that would be the de-facto platform for multiplats, then those saying that 17% power advantage on paper doesn't translate to 17% advantage in real-time when there are other parts of the system to consider. But non one. None... expected this.
Oh... about the PC thing?
4K, Ultra
- RTX3090 = 60fps
- RTX3080 = 51fps
- RTX2080ti = 44fps
- RTX3070 = 41fps
EVERY single one of those "GPUs" costs more than either PS5/XSX. But yeah, PC is king for sure. I am sure its also has something to do with tools... Seriously though, Ubisoft sucks when it comes to optimizing anything.
Yes they look a lot alike here.
I hadn't seen these.
Funny thing is, there's a number of differences in just those two shots, LOL.
For example, is the smoother edge on the Series X on the Axe/Scene here DRS or AA/DOF (or the lack of it) ??
The frames don't seem to be at identically the same point, there are some differences in the location of things (particle affects, the cloth on the right) that suggest (if the game is totally deterministic), that they might be some small number of frames apart. Any even very slight difference in the position/orientation of an object could yield a different edge aliasing profile. Not to mention possible post processing differences between frames at different points. There's at least one edge further up on the axe handle in the PS5 frame that looks 'smoother' too.
I presume DF has pretty forensically analysed for differences in the render profiles, beyond what might be in the realm of bug, or differences due to different frames...
Without going into the stuff nobody really knows about (the supposed customized RDNA2 Cerny mentionned, which afaik has been later talked about by Matt and others not so much as RDNA1.5 but more like 2+), I could see the unified memory (@ 448Gb/s) setup being more advantageous in some circumstances rather than a fragmented 10/6, and of course the GPU clock speed.
What people putting everything on the devkit tools are missing is that of course both will improve over time, not just the Xbox DK.
Interesting to see. All these multiplat games perform better on PS5 as of now. Wondering if that split memory setup is giving devs troubles initially.
I think I'd rather believe a dev on record saying it than rumors.
But if we do get valid confirmation about it from another developer then that would turn things over and validate DF rumors and such.
Absolutely. Let me get this straight: if this AC situation happens for every single game for the next two to three months, Microsoft has a PR nightmare in their hands. You cannot repeat and repeat for a whole year that you have the most powerful console and get worse performing multiplat' games compared to your direct concurrent.
It's been over 12 months. Hardware access is a bit newer - but even that's been out and about before February.
Wow at the torn frames stat. (VG Tech)
PS5 - 865
XSX - 4025
PS5 - 865
XSX - 4025
I got like 18 months of GPU for $80(USD) and it's been worth it at that price as I have played a few games with it, but after having it for a few months it loses most of its appeal as it mostly older titles and indies which is all right, but not like it's hyped up to be.
The consoles sure as hell aren't running Ultra. And those benches are from NATIVE 4K, somehting else none of the consoles are doing.
Some devs said on record that the PS3 is easy to develop for at the start of the generation. No, I am not implying he lies. What I am implying is that developers "on record" sometimes are chained by NDA in what they can and can't talk about. Thus sometimes (not always) insider sources are more detailed and more trustworthy, because they can report about issues while developers "on record" may or may not be able to.
My guess would be that it will be hitting higher resolutions more consistently than the PS5 with a few more frames.
Just watched a cutscene early on in England when you're putting a house together, screen tearing on the SX is just unbearable. Lots of other little visual bugs too.
Lots of shimmering around edges too. It's insane to me how much better the IQ is in Miles Morales, it's pretty much perfect. Game looks really nice but there's a lot of distracting issues.
Lots of shimmering around edges too. It's insane to me how much better the IQ is in Miles Morales, it's pretty much perfect. Game looks really nice but there's a lot of distracting issues.
Any more comparisons we can look forward to this week, Alex?
I'm thinking Watch Dogs, CoD and Dirt 5?
Great job, BTW, to the both of you! (You and John)
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