I had decided to buy every single third party / indie game on PS5 and just use Game Pass for XGS exclusives, and these kind of comparisons are definitely reinforcing that choice
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Digital Foundry: Assassin's Creed Valhalla: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Next-Gen Comparison!
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I had decided to buy every single third party / indie game on PS5 and just use Game Pass for XGS exclusives, and these kind of comparisons are definitely reinforcing that choice
There are other instances where you see a similar performance dip. It's not like the PS5 is completely unaffected but the frame rate cap hides the degree to which the PS5 dropped in that instance. Both drop to 1440p which is indicative that the engine is struggling.
I'm playing it on xsx, and while the tearing is there, it is pretty good looking, loads acceptably fast, and framerate stays still...which is what I want from a next gen launch game (besides "being demons souls")
not sure what you are talking about. What free pass? Nobody is pretending they did a great job by being late or that the games being worse is fine if it was just because of the late GDK. But we know for certain the GDK is not fully cooked - that's just true. It's absolutely a glaring unfinished element of the ecosystem right now to look at. It's just a legitimate issue raised by devs that may be resolved later. Doesn't mean it isn't a botched rollout if that was truly what is causing issues for launch game ports right now.
I'm sure they are looking into what their roadblocks are but we don't work at Microsoft so we have little insight.
Edit: apparently I'm putting myself at risk by calling out blatant FUD and misinformation, so never mind.
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In Cerny we trust.
Edit: But seriously, it's great that these two consoles are so close. Now people can shut up about power and just play the games.
Edit: But seriously, it's great that these two consoles are so close. Now people can shut up about power and just play the games.
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I still don't understand the reason why MS went back to a split memory pool. I have no idea if what you're describing is the cause, but the general idea of having fast and slow pools of memory makes no sense to me.
What have devs said about the GDK?
I thought it was all rumors due to NDAs and whatnot.
It is clear that this pandemic has hit really hard on cross gen titles the most, and in Ubisoft's case being in Europe it's even worse. Honestly the fact we are even getting these consoles and titles alone is a feat worth celebrating, be it the difficulties experiencing or not.
In regards to performance, obviously there will be those using this as ammo for the console wars that are still stupidly going on. However those with a level headed approach to the discussion will clearly see there are tech issues holding both consoles back in performance, and overall for third parties as time goes on we will see a very nice balance of performance. That to me is the most important feature of next gen, that no matter the console all users will be able to experience similar performance.
In regards to performance, obviously there will be those using this as ammo for the console wars that are still stupidly going on. However those with a level headed approach to the discussion will clearly see there are tech issues holding both consoles back in performance, and overall for third parties as time goes on we will see a very nice balance of performance. That to me is the most important feature of next gen, that no matter the console all users will be able to experience similar performance.
More than happy with how it's performing on the Series X, and the brutalist design of the machine itself is significantly more pleasing to me a e s t h e t i c a l l y. I abhor the look of the PS5.
I also prefer the Xbox controller layout over Sony's (I've had their systems dating back to the PS1, but I've never liked the controllers), so definitely don't mind going with the Series X first. Assassin's Creed runs more than fine in it, and there's plenty of shots in digital foundries video where I think the game looks better on Series X (see: that middle-of-the-day shot, where the PS5 looks too dark).
I don't think it's surprising that cross-platform titles are performing better on the machine that has the larger market, and I'm not sure that games that have been developed throughout the pandemic is necessarily the best way to judge what machine is "better".
I also prefer the Xbox controller layout over Sony's (I've had their systems dating back to the PS1, but I've never liked the controllers), so definitely don't mind going with the Series X first. Assassin's Creed runs more than fine in it, and there's plenty of shots in digital foundries video where I think the game looks better on Series X (see: that middle-of-the-day shot, where the PS5 looks too dark).
I don't think it's surprising that cross-platform titles are performing better on the machine that has the larger market, and I'm not sure that games that have been developed throughout the pandemic is necessarily the best way to judge what machine is "better".
It will be interesting to see how things play out over time. Perhaps Microsoft's strategy of cross-platform development will put their multiplatform games at a disadvantage for the entire generation. However, it's a little early to draw any firm conclusions, I think.
One question - does having a smaller user base mean that devs may spend less time/resources on the Microsoft iterations of a game, or is that a non-factor?
One question - does having a smaller user base mean that devs may spend less time/resources on the Microsoft iterations of a game, or is that a non-factor?
The thing though is that everywhere theXSX saw a dip so did the PS5. All but one specific case think. The PS5 just stabilized faster.
Personally, I feel the reason these things are happening has something to do with caching on the PS5 and that split RAM pool on the XSX. At least on a hardware level. Because otherwise, the XSX should at least have enough power to brute force it. There is too much that is at least working on the XSX on par with the PS5 to just conclude that it's all because of weak tools. I believe there has to be more to this.
As I said in the DMC thread, if this was a tools issue primarily, then it would be worse all the time. And not just sometimes.
Because the cost of the ram would have made the machine much more expensive.
Yes he is a dev .
Either way the systems will be close with each having there advantages.
XSX will most likely pull ahead for certain things but not by much for it to be a huge issue for most .
Look, I get that comparing consoles will never go away and that people will tout one over the other.
I just don´t see the problem with any of the three versions here.
To me, comparing the Series X and PS5 using this game is the closest I have ever seen parity between Microsoft and Sony and that makes me kind of happy in my opinion. It is good that consoles have reached a point where they are mostly similar in performance.
I have never owned an Xbox since Playstation was the thing that grabbed me back in the day, and I never had the money to own both, but I think the Series X is doing great here. I would not be mad playing this on an Xbox.
Probably, as they mentioned in the video, things might be different when moving on from cross gen games to next gen only, and I seriously don´t care which product comes out ahead.
If I get one of the new consoles while strapped for cash, I´d problably get the Series S.
I just don´t see the problem with any of the three versions here.
To me, comparing the Series X and PS5 using this game is the closest I have ever seen parity between Microsoft and Sony and that makes me kind of happy in my opinion. It is good that consoles have reached a point where they are mostly similar in performance.
I have never owned an Xbox since Playstation was the thing that grabbed me back in the day, and I never had the money to own both, but I think the Series X is doing great here. I would not be mad playing this on an Xbox.
Probably, as they mentioned in the video, things might be different when moving on from cross gen games to next gen only, and I seriously don´t care which product comes out ahead.
If I get one of the new consoles while strapped for cash, I´d problably get the Series S.
I think you're thinking of Greenberg...
They've come a looong way. Okay, maybe not Greenberg, but MS in general.
VRR really does help on Series X. I would have never known there were issues if it wants for VRR.
Def points to some short cuts made on the I/O side seems like brute forcing loading.
No, DF and reporters like Jason have passed on info to the public that devs (who yes, can't be named) have confirmed the PS5 transition was a pleasure while the Xbox switch was late and is newer and causing pain points
What does he think the setbacks for Series X are then that are surprising to people like DF and some consumers? I'm not familiar with his post, but did he say what the blame is?
Not sure what you mean. DF themselves even bring it up again in the article (Jason has said it to). Devs themselves have told them the Xbox transition came later and has been less smooth for them than the PS5 tools due to Xbox moving to a new toolset.
People making such conclusive statements about each console's quality based on a couple cross-gen ports are going to look pretty silly in a year or two.
Based on the first party offerings (Spider-man, Gears 5, Demon's Souls) both consoles are going to be doing some awesome things in the future.
Based on the first party offerings (Spider-man, Gears 5, Demon's Souls) both consoles are going to be doing some awesome things in the future.
It's an IO beast. Someone put out a video of it doing path of exile and was nicely surprised by generational improvements and the fact it holds up better than a lot of mid or high tier grade pcs.
You would need to customize windows for a ram drive and decent DDR4 ram to do better or equal.
Are you talking to yourself to justice your purchase, because it sure sound like it.
This is an incredibly strange thing to say, especially considering there's notbing atopping devs from outputting at Series S settings on PS5 for better framerates.
Yeah, I noticed that, so it is most likely a bug like many think. It only seems to load the "high-res" texture on the X at any point in that cut-scene. The S and PS5 never load the higher-resolution one at any point it seems.
I'd love to do a PS5/Series X texture examination up close, but I don't like AC games, lol. So me personally ever doing it myself isn't going to happen. I find them horribly boring.
Absolutely correct, because screen tearing can't possibly be fix via a patch. /s
Some of the hot takes are something else.
Something DF didn't touch on. There are some obvious texture quality differences at times. I noticed them watching in 1440p, so I upped it to 4k, and I could see them in motion. Obviously you have to stick to moments where the lighting seems to cast the same on the models, but in my first example, on the left here, there is an obvious (if you're doing a tech/magnifying technical look at it...level obvious..lol) texture resolution difference.
The texture resolution isn't even close if we're being picky. Granted, it's like Ultra vs Very High...lol. It doesn't appear to be a dynamic resolution situation at all.
Seems like that would be hard to miss with how closely things are looked at.
They have direct shoots on the site
Series X
PS5
It looks the same to me.
I am shelving the XBX version until the inevitable patch comes out to rectify the situation. I am doing it solely because the colors look like shit on my QLED (played Odyssey and Origins on my OLED so I guess I am comparing it to my prior experience.) Have plenty to play until that happens.
that was partly the specs partly some folks pushing a strong narrative. Either way proof needs to be in the pudding
He doesn't seem too concerned about the tools and was combating the notion that the tools where late. He wasn't privy to how much earlier devs received PS5's kits but that it was a familiar language to PS4, it's just the nature of game development when both consoles are this close expect wins on both sides. So i guess we shouldn't look at it as a "setback" it just seems to imply a negative
Haha, no. I came from a One S and a PS4 Slim. My PC is a 3600x and 32gb of ram (but with a 1060 and 1080p screens, but all I play on that is WoW and Age of Empires 2), so anything is going to look good compared to what I'm used to. The PS5 looks so bad to me that I don't want it sitting in my living room (if it doesn't get a revision at some point I'll pick it up eventually, I didn't get a PS4 until last year, so plenty of stuff to catch up with still for that), and like I said, I just prefer the Xbox layout for controllers over PS's. All that new controller technology isn't relevant to me if it doesn't feel good when I'm holding it. I'll have everything eventually, but the Series X made significantly more sense for that first leap. I think in general stuff like this is kind of dumb, because I'm not going to know that the X version of AC is "worse" unless I have it set up right next the PS5, which... isn't going to happen right now, but I will know that the PS5 would look much more out of place with the aesthetic of my place (which is some what "rustic") than the Series X does.
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Console war will always console war, it seems.
It seems premature to me to call the xbox dead in the water from a first few multiplat crossgen games with immature dev tools on one side. Power differences have always existed between MS and Sony's consoles. PS3 vs xbox 360, PS4 vs Xbox one, PS4 pro vs Xbox one X. People on both sides have gotten the shaft in terms of multiplat performance at one time or another, but that hasn't dissuaded them from committing to one ecosystem over another. To most gamers it's always been about the content available.
Besides, in terms of raw performance there's PC that has always reigned as king no matter what.
It seems premature to me to call the xbox dead in the water from a first few multiplat crossgen games with immature dev tools on one side. Power differences have always existed between MS and Sony's consoles. PS3 vs xbox 360, PS4 vs Xbox one, PS4 pro vs Xbox one X. People on both sides have gotten the shaft in terms of multiplat performance at one time or another, but that hasn't dissuaded them from committing to one ecosystem over another. To most gamers it's always been about the content available.
Besides, in terms of raw performance there's PC that has always reigned as king no matter what.
Understandable, i have my series X and it fits perfectly. Still dont know where to put the PS5. And seriously every comparisons blows up here, but in real live you would not even notice. Playing AC and it looks beautifull and i dont see any screen tearing myself or notice and drops. You really need to look for it to notice it.
Yes. PS5 version is better. More stable frame rate, less screen tearing, faster loading, and dynamic resolution doesn't drop as low a Series X.
Definitely a case of Ubisoft not polishing the Series X version enough as there is no excuse for it not running at least at parity with PS5 with the hardware it has.
Uhm... TF are calculated with clock speed and CU count. But yes TF don't tell the full story.
Cost and according to them developers demand for more bandwidth. It also isn't like a split memory setup seen in previous consoles. The GPU and CPU can access all of the 13,5GB available, while on PS3 for example there was a strict split between CPU and GPU RAM iirc.
But it matches with everything the insiders including DF have heard. Hearing the directors of Dirt opinion is great, but you could see how hesitant he was sometimes and he even stopped after ", but" and did go on to talk about something else once.
Not polishing the series X version enough? yet xbox got the marketing
Marketing has nothing to do with it. PS has COD marketing yet the best Warzone version right now is on Series X.