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Digital Foundry: Assassin's Creed Valhalla: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Next-Gen Comparison!
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Thanks, see *this* is a clear pattern.
I too was really confused by what went on in that 'curtain' room in DMC5.
Surprising results but we all know Assassin's Creed has been pretty terrible in terms of software reliability on any console platform.
I want to see comparisons for next gen versions of Red Dead Redemption, Doom Eternal, Monster Hunter, Destiny 2, and Cyberpunk 2077.
I want to see comparisons for next gen versions of Red Dead Redemption, Doom Eternal, Monster Hunter, Destiny 2, and Cyberpunk 2077.
I think it's kind of funny that some are disappointed with a few drops into the 50 range, when most games were running at 30 last gen, and that's despite a large resolution boost.
Well MS started that with most powerfull console and there is no game to show that yet.
This is really surprising since Xbox Series X hardware maintains an advantage in probably every aspect outside of SSD Speeds.
What am I missing?
What am I missing?
Honestly I think it's more about how easy it is to develop for each platform more than which console is more powerful.
Seems it's easier to develop for PS5 for now.
Seems it's easier to develop for PS5 for now.
Wow...just an hour ago I replied in the "fanboys" thread and here is a whole bunch of fanboy crap being flung around....I know, "it's a tech comparison" topic, but I don't understand why it has to be such a back and forth, mine is better than yours kind of scenario. Also people are making rational explanations and they are getting shit on by irrational people...
The game is great but has some tech warts on both systems...We should be talking about what the hell is up with the fire in this game or how it's really amazing that the game targets 60fps on console...
The game is great but has some tech warts on both systems...We should be talking about what the hell is up with the fire in this game or how it's really amazing that the game targets 60fps on console...
Right? Truly ahead of it's time, and ahead of the console hardware it was targetting!
Several people in the know have stated the development tools are behind Sony's so I'm sure there are some "gains" to make from their camp. But it being enough for it to really matter like some people are hoping is something I doubt.
Could that essentially be driver issues, as weird as that sounds? When I was into PC gaming more, if my driver was old or messed I would get weird issues like that if I remember right.
Lol These consoles wars are crazy. I do remember Dusk Golem spreading fear like crazy with his RE8 info too. I knew people were acting like PS5 was going to heavily underperform but the narratives that get spun up is mind blowing
He is more trying to not get sued by breaking an NDA I'd say haha.
You are not going to play it because of this tech breakdown? Man...you are missing out, it's still fantastic on the SX.
Yeah tools might be a factor but if they are then the company that in those famous words "invented DirectX" should do better tbh.
Anyway, this wasn't completely unpredictable...
Anyway, this wasn't completely unpredictable...
I need to get a used copy of it and try it out on PS5. See if there's an improvements at all. lol
Glad to see they are so comparable, and the PS5 even outperforming. This means that with a bit more optimization on the xbox side, these two will be basically equivalent.
I personally played on my one x before my series x came and was blown away by performance when I hooked up my Series X. I hope more games target 60 FPS in the future, while I like pretty graphics I think performance is more important to me this gen.
People are buying expensive systems. Most don't have the luxury of buying both, and don't want to feel like they spent their money on the wrong one so they sometimes go to no small length to downplay anything that looks bad for their purchasing decision.
Honestly, if I didn't have empathy for people like that, I wouldn't hang out in these threads, but I absolutely do.
I expect both to perform very similar in the long run based on these early benchmarks, not that there will a big difference.
Lockheart was only added as a profile in June's release, that's a very short time ago in development terms imho. June's release notes apparently also included notes around performance, such as multi-core support, not arriving until after launch with some suggested work arounds.
So I do think we'll see improvements once the GDK is stable, devs have integrated it into their engines and performance profiling has shown where bottlenecks in implementing the new APIs lie.
That Sony hasn't really given any details in their customizations.
for instance, redgamingtech who has been breaking AMD news says his sources are telling him ps5 has unified CPU caches like zen 3 (vs the split pools of zen 2/Xbox) but nobody has varietied it yet and Sony has said nothing.
I meant more along the lines of your latter point here. Early titles will likely show a PS5 lead, and as devs get better with the tools it will reverse
That specs are theoretical maximums, and (the removal of) bottlenecks is crucial.
It seems it is easier to get performance out of the PS5, and I dont buy the tools argument either. Technical Director of Dirt 5 said plainly that Sony's tools are not ahead of MS' GDK, both are 'coming in hot'.
Man, the tooling stuff must be pretty serious. Hopefully it gets updated\patched\etc somewhat quickly.
The PS5 shouldn't be lapping XSX like this in head to head comparisons.
The PS5 shouldn't be lapping XSX like this in head to head comparisons.
It seems like a lot of people are using this to support their already formed platform war opinions. My prediction is that right now the power argument matters but then later in the generation we will hear that it doesn't when things shake out. I think personally I am a bit underwhelmed by both consoles right now in terms of these third party games. I look forward to games developed with them in mind.
Speculation is that dev's are still getting to grips with the new tools over in the Xbox ecosystem. It's based on devs saying that they really like how easy it has been to move over to PS5 development since the tools are almost identical, and that isn't the case in MS land... but whether that accounts for some of the weirdness in DMC5 or what we're seeing here is basically speculation at this moment in time.
I know right, why is criticism when a company is not delivering on their marketing considered fanboyism? I got both consoles and expected the Series X to outperform in 3rd party titles based on the most powerful console marketing so I got Valhalla on Series X. I'm a bit disappointed (before anyone comes down on me, read: a BIT, not a lot) about the console not really delivering on its marketing on day one, where it is ranging from practically no advantage to moderate disadvantage between titles.
I totally understand why people who prefer PlayStation would be satisfied with this result though, because there was a lot of BS a while back about how the variable clock speeds are unstable and will mean that the PS5 is actually only 9TF, as Tom Warren even tweeted, which is now proving to be completely false. I don't care which one performs better, I'll buy 3rd party titles on whichever one comes out on top in each game in future.
Kleegamefan redeemed, for me pretty much. But then he did also say he "had seen the specs", obviously nonsense in hindsight. Andrew Reiner redeemed for sure. Can you imagine the state of "tools" a year+ ago...
Game really doesn't seem to be optimized well for either platform but the XsX is really underperforming here.
It's kind of funny after the whole 4k at 60fps & 4k and 60fps debacle in that old thread. Those trying to turn the word "and" into "or" must be feeling pretty stupid right now.
It's kind of funny after the whole 4k at 60fps & 4k and 60fps debacle in that old thread. Those trying to turn the word "and" into "or" must be feeling pretty stupid right now.
Yes I'm sure that it. Not the fact that he says he had no issues with the new GDK and in fact Microsoft brought over majority of the things they had from the XDK and they perform better on the new GDK.
One thing I'll say, devs right now have a nightmare of a time targeting all these systems, and PC. That they're not seemingly tweaking the games to the hardware at all, beyond letting DRS handle things, kind of shows you that the cross gen period really increases demands on them.
Right? I understand that people want to jump into conclusions for obvious reasons but there is a clear disparity between what's happening on screen and those frame drops. They don't make sense to me.
That's assuming Sony's tools won't improve over time as well.
Tooling that is late for Xbox Series is the unified platform tooling - i.e. toolchain that will enable to devs to use one build targeting all of the supported platforms -, not the development kit tooling.
It's a nice to have thing that will make devs lives dealing with the ridiculous number of SKUs easier, not vital for development.
It's a nice to have thing that will make devs lives dealing with the ridiculous number of SKUs easier, not vital for development.
Yep earlier in that video he debunks the tools argument by saying 'I wouldn't say so' when questioned on whether Sony's tools are ahead of MS'.
So what I'd like to see is a DF or other analysis of possible hardware bottlenecks in XsX design. Would be very interesting.
Yeah, cutscene camera is borked on Xbox Series, stutters every now and then without frame rate hitches. It's weird as hell. Doesn't happen on PS5.
Oh, they very well might, but from what I understood, it isn't that Sony's tools are better than MSs, so much as that Sony's tools are *more familiar* than MSs.
I think people betting on the dev kit being the solution will be very disappointed; I think this is more on hardware architecture. Quoting numbers is meaningless; it's how the system is integrated with those and uses them that matters. I really don't see dev kits being inefficient to cause the performance disparity we're seeing.