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Digital Foundry: Assassin's Creed Valhalla: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Next-Gen Comparison!
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The baseline here is the 60fps that both should be compared to, your way is the better way to compare the tow in this case.
Not sure what does this have to do with anything in my post. To explain things in your own example, when ever Honda Civic out preform an Audi A6, it would generate more fuzz, is what I was saying.
No, but they do pay attention on social media, YouTube etc, and there's plenty on there highlighting which is performing better.
The problem with your argument is that the ps5 tools from most reports are very similar to the ps4 tools, thats what they mean by mature. So yeah they be tweaks like there always is but the ms tools are new so devs aren't used to them yet. They're not saying saying that ms tools need to be tweaked which is a whole different thing
Maybe ps5 is not the less powerfull? Unified memory speed. Better io. 17-18% more in rf is meaningless. Ps5 has higher clocks on gpu too. In the end maybe it was many said here. There will be no noticeable difference.
Definitely on the slower side, but still a massive improvement from Odyssey!
Launch games and games patched to be cross gen aren't being optimized as well as they should?
Looks like this is going to be a pretty close generation (until the mid-gen consoles arrive) in terms of performance even after Microsoft improve their tools (witch isn't a bad thing).
This is a good thing, it means whatever happens in the market departments don't reach development team.
This is a good thing, it means whatever happens in the market departments don't reach development team.
WOW this is actually a very considerable difference, I'm extremely surprised. I know you can say the dev tools are in their infancy etc etc but there is no other way to paint this as an EARLY loss for Microsoft, especially with a similar thing happening in other multiplats which have been tested like Cold War. The Series X should be outperforming the PS5, not achieving parity or mild to moderate underperformance.
If you come out for months shouting world's most powerful console, trying to stir some false information about the variable clock speeds on PS5 being a bad thing and how you're the only console with full RDNA2 support and this is what day one games deliver, you're left with egg on your face as Microsoft.
After getting both consoles and expecting that I'd be buying Multiplatform titles on Series X, this is certainly changing my mind especially where the game has Dualsense support.
If you come out for months shouting world's most powerful console, trying to stir some false information about the variable clock speeds on PS5 being a bad thing and how you're the only console with full RDNA2 support and this is what day one games deliver, you're left with egg on your face as Microsoft.
After getting both consoles and expecting that I'd be buying Multiplatform titles on Series X, this is certainly changing my mind especially where the game has Dualsense support.
I have been playing way more Xbox One than PS4 because of GamePass. Graphically speaking... it's worse. But the service is too good.
These results are surprising but they change nothing for me. And they mean nothing to the general public. Sony stays in the lead regardless of FPS and load times. And Sony being in the lead is good for Xbox owners.
Not bad at all, as a PS5 owner I thought the XSX would be better for multiplatforms but I guess none saw this coming!
Yeah it's funny to see it play out like this given the pre-launch talk. Having played AC on my brothers series X I havent really noticed the screen taring at all (shout out my dad's C9).
I guess we can expect the series x to outperform the PS5 later in the generation,
I have to wonder if having to work on 2 versions for Series consoles resulted in a split in resources which in turn resulted on less optimized versions for the platform.
Yup. PS5 ahead by about 10%... negligible. Stil all round a lot lower than what we should b expecting from these consoles though.
Remember that major differences that we saw last gen, even in the early cross gen games like AC: Black Flag (1080p vs 900P) BF4(900p-720P at 60fps) were the standard.
If you've used MS software on a PC, you should be well aware that "they're a software company therefore the software is always good!" is kind of a silly premise. They couldn't even make an app store that works.
To your first point, I think you're right that SX will have a better version of Cyberpunk, but not necessarily because of Sony's different approach to BC. The biggest factor, I think, will be that the One X version will have a higher resolution than the PS4 Pro version. I think they should run at a comparable framerate on both next gen consoles, unless CDP want to aim for higher than 60fps, which is where the PS5's BC weakness lies. And I think that's extremely unlikely.
EARLY loss... lol. The hot takes in here are as embarassing as they were predictable. Fanboys never change...
That the PS5 is achieving equal or slightly better performance, where the Series X should be outperforming based on specs.
100%, for $100 more you could have an actual next gen console.
Neither is making judgements on an entire generation based off of one cross-gen launch title.PR does wonders. People read the specs and decided to go for the most powerful console before waiting for actual games running on it.
Then they get surprised with results like this:
It's always better to wait for the games running before deciding on where to buy 3rd party games. Reading specs alone is never a good idea.
As a dual console owner I enjoy both and love both so truly trying to be unbiased but I think IF Xbox pulls in new customers it will be people buying in as a secondary console for gamepass (families too)
Yeah it's 23:30 seconds on PS5, 26:48 seconds on Series X and 27:17 seconds on Series S. That was actually the most disappointing thing for me. I thought loading screens longer than 10 seconds were a thing of the past.
It's not like we haven't seen this before. The Playstation 3 was undoubtably stronger than the 360, and yet the 360 performed better across the board with respect to multi-platform games until a few years into the generation when developers familiarized themselves with the admittedly difficult to develop for console.
EARLY loss... lol. The hot takes in here are as embarassing as they were predictable. Fanboys never change...
The discless PS5 is clearly the better all-digital console for the money despite its higher price. It's literally the same internals as the standard PS5.
Yes, EARLY loss, because things can change? This is an early loss because Series X was supposed to deliver superior performance in third party titles from day one? I'm struggling to see why you think I'm a fanboy for expecting my Series X to do better in third parties... I even got Valhalla on Series X instead of PS5 and that's slightly disappointing to me now.
Yikes. I'm not a smart man. Are these possibly API and / or frequency issues for the Xbox Series?
What? How. Early results prove that one console is clearly more powerful than the other!!!!
That is *not* what we saw with DMC5 or Black Ops Cold War, unless you only focus on performance in the 120hz modes on those games and discount the other modes. We have three games as data points. If they were all the same that'd be one thing. They aren't.
It's still *very* curious that we have situations where the PS5 is over performing XSX given the paper specs, but I really don't think we have enough information to argue that it's a clear pattern.
It was expected there would be no difference between the two but to see series X performing so badly is a shock. That tearing and that 20% drop in the scene with the torch were terrible.
It does not do MS any favours with the enthusiast crowd that's for sure.
It does not do MS any favours with the enthusiast crowd that's for sure.
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That's not the thing. While Sony went for an extension to their current tools, Microsoft basically went for a new set of tools, which delayed things and caused development and optimization to be months behind. In a few months these differences will diminish, and that's when we will probably see the Series X outperform PS5 or both consoles having a more similar performance.
Damn PS5 delivering it seems.Bless thy Mark Cerny. I'm wondering what's going to end up happening to Cyberpunk. Have a feeling PS5 version will be performing the best out of all the consoles. Maybe MS got word that Xbox versions of games weren't performing as well and thus changed their slogan from "Most powerful console" to "Most powerful Xbox"
Serious question, do you honestly believe there is some HW thing that PS has that is making 3rd party games run better? Do you think people like Digital Foundry mentioning maturity of tools is moving goalposts?
I read the exact same in the earlier SSD loading speed comparisons 😂
It is a tiny bit funny that this is the constant reason being brought up all the while ignoring that maybe the PS5 architecture and how Cerny created the console has nothing to do with the advantage shown here.
Agree, he'll even I bought a series S for my kids, although I do hop on there when they're at school :)
In fairness, probably nobody in the year 2020 thought 'developer friendless' or 'dev tools' would rear their head again as a performance-impacting factor. It probably felt reasonable to assume that was a relic of the PS3/360 gen and that it was safe enough to trade things off on paper.
But there you go. Dev tool quality, system software... you may not notice it when it's 'right', but you certainly do when it's not up to par.
It absolutely is. PS5 performance is more consistent with lesser variance. Whether that troubles people is up to them (I think the majority won't notice). But the problem is that XSX should have a clear and tangible performance lead which isn't happening and there are cases with significant inconsistencies in it's performance.
Ubisoft really needs to improve overall performance and engine work in the next years. Aside from that, surprised to see an advantage for the PS5, but easier/better tools help a lot, especially in the beginning of a new console cycle.
What's really bad though: Tearing, this shouldn't happen, especially not for next gen versions, Ubisoft really needs to fix this ASAP. Yes, I do have a VRR capable TV (but a PS5 tmrw ^^), but most people don't own a TV with VRR.
What's really bad though: Tearing, this shouldn't happen, especially not for next gen versions, Ubisoft really needs to fix this ASAP. Yes, I do have a VRR capable TV (but a PS5 tmrw ^^), but most people don't own a TV with VRR.