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Digital Foundry: Analysis of PS5 teardown video
- Thread starter zombiejames
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Man Johns video are hands down my favorite on the net.
Considering John was a mainstay on Gaf he has seen so much trolling. I was hoping he was able to ignore it but I guess everyone has a breaking point. All these console warriors should be ashamed of themselves.
Considering John was a mainstay on Gaf he has seen so much trolling. I was hoping he was able to ignore it but I guess everyone has a breaking point. All these console warriors should be ashamed of themselves.
Unfortunately new gen always has been exciting at individual level but very toxic at community level.
Obviously this guy is really skilled and has proper equipment, but it still highlights the difficulty and risks of reworking BGAs. He even pulled two pads but luckily they were non-functional.
As much as we may try to sympathise, we can never truly know what it's like to feel that kind of toxicity online - Unless we work in a similar environment.
Imagine trying your best to remain as professional as possible and no matter what you do, you're attacked by fanboys of all colors, shapes and sizes... It can't fucking be fun.
Videogames are supposed to be fun!!
I really feel for Digital Foundry and the people that deal with this kind of shit in general. One should probably not expect respecful engagment online, but we should and can do better - Especially here.
We can have our likes, preferences or disagreements, but that doesn't give any of us the right to question the integrity of the people we disagree with!
I truly feel for John and the rest of DF. We can do better, Era. We can do better.
Imagine trying your best to remain as professional as possible and no matter what you do, you're attacked by fanboys of all colors, shapes and sizes... It can't fucking be fun.
Videogames are supposed to be fun!!
I really feel for Digital Foundry and the people that deal with this kind of shit in general. One should probably not expect respecful engagment online, but we should and can do better - Especially here.
We can have our likes, preferences or disagreements, but that doesn't give any of us the right to question the integrity of the people we disagree with!
I truly feel for John and the rest of DF. We can do better, Era. We can do better.
Very cute, big fanTo everyone at DF, this quokka wants to give you a big hug for your great work.
I'm all hyped about the PS5 launch. But I honestly can't say I know how the console will fair in terms of longevity as compared to most other consoles. The SSD soldered to the mobo was a concern when I watched the teardown. I later learned that liquid metal, has in the past, may have issues in the future.
However, I do not "know" that these are actual concerns. The number of write cycles for the internal SSD may be so high that it isn't really feasible to hit it during normal use of the console. Likewise, Sony has said they have tested the liquid metal for quite some time before making a decision that it is something that could be used. In both cases, at this point, I'm not going to worry about what I don't know. If these decisions turn out bad in the long term, then I'll take that into account when I purchase my next console. But worrying about it now just seems like anxiety I don't need in my life.
However, I do not "know" that these are actual concerns. The number of write cycles for the internal SSD may be so high that it isn't really feasible to hit it during normal use of the console. Likewise, Sony has said they have tested the liquid metal for quite some time before making a decision that it is something that could be used. In both cases, at this point, I'm not going to worry about what I don't know. If these decisions turn out bad in the long term, then I'll take that into account when I purchase my next console. But worrying about it now just seems like anxiety I don't need in my life.
I loved this video. They are working with what they have, and I think Rich did a great job talking about the struggles as it pertains to their access with a hefty dose of speculation.
MS understands the value of tech breakdowns with the enthusiast crowd and leaned in hard on DF to help get their messages out. I only imagine that DF would absolutely have the same stuff on PS5 if Sony gave them access, but they haven't.
Won't matter in a few weeks anyway when they have retail units themselves. Can't wait for that coverage too.
MS understands the value of tech breakdowns with the enthusiast crowd and leaned in hard on DF to help get their messages out. I only imagine that DF would absolutely have the same stuff on PS5 if Sony gave them access, but they haven't.
Won't matter in a few weeks anyway when they have retail units themselves. Can't wait for that coverage too.
Without your teams work I wouldn't have known how cool a technology DLSS is. Thanks to the whole team.
Excited for them to get hands on, I imagine not until after launch? Can't remember how things normally go, outside of how early Xbox is doing previews this time around.
Yeah, DLSS is amazing. Look how it transforms this pic:
I wish I could have found a closer pic, lol
Don't worry about the SSD. SSD's are significantly more durable than HDDs, and in a console it will be doing a lot more reading than writing anyway. I have a pair of Crucial SSDs that I used in RAID 0 for almost 10 years and neither has had any issues. Definitely can't say the same for some HDDs I've had in that time.
Good summary video. Thanks.
Indeed it is traditional in terms of console layout as it was with the PS4, PS3, etc...
NXGamer also said similar comments but as noted in the video (try and true) if it isn't broke then why fix it? Instead adding even more tweaks to it and big things like their cooling approach is a nice touch.
Idc about the size of the console, I've had beefy consoles before with the PS3 or OG Xbox, etc... Even if this is technically bigger I will be fine, I understand others not having that luxury though.
All in all I can't wait to get my hands on it come launch (hopefully unless there is shipment delay). I will toss in added SSD right away. I don't mind the actual SSD being internally embedded into the motherboard since I always like the idea of having the base storage and then stacking new memory on top of it like the Switch then I do replacing storage and transferring it but I understand the comments.
Nice info about how much available storage he heard relative to the leak we got, I wonder how the retail unit will fair compared to both?
Thanks again for the video and the hardwork over at DF, they've made every console generation very interesting in the tech side and contributed a lot in making me have interest in these things.
Indeed it is traditional in terms of console layout as it was with the PS4, PS3, etc...
NXGamer also said similar comments but as noted in the video (try and true) if it isn't broke then why fix it? Instead adding even more tweaks to it and big things like their cooling approach is a nice touch.
Idc about the size of the console, I've had beefy consoles before with the PS3 or OG Xbox, etc... Even if this is technically bigger I will be fine, I understand others not having that luxury though.
All in all I can't wait to get my hands on it come launch (hopefully unless there is shipment delay). I will toss in added SSD right away. I don't mind the actual SSD being internally embedded into the motherboard since I always like the idea of having the base storage and then stacking new memory on top of it like the Switch then I do replacing storage and transferring it but I understand the comments.
Nice info about how much available storage he heard relative to the leak we got, I wonder how the retail unit will fair compared to both?
Thanks again for the video and the hardwork over at DF, they've made every console generation very interesting in the tech side and contributed a lot in making me have interest in these things.
Okay this I was unaware of...very interesting.Because it isn't soldered on the Series X. The SSD on the motherboard appears to be replaceable on the Series X.
Edit: Added image.
What's the minimum spec (speed/PCIe gen) required for 2242 M2 XSX SSDs? Definitely seems user replaceable, albeit the price will be wild for a few years until that form factor comes down. Although they should have left the casing open so all the way up to 2280 could fit, but what do I know lol.
And is the PS5 soldered on? If so makes sense due to the internal M2 expansion port.
I agree with that. PS5 Slim most likely in Fall 2023 and PS6 in Q4 2027. I'm not expecting a more powerful Pro model this time. I think that whatever silicon advancements the industry makes feasible over course of the coming years that Sony/SIE and Cerny sees as important for future consoles, they should save those things for PS6.
Things like many more CUs than PS4 Pro and PS5 (i.e 80 cu) far better Ray Tracing capability * speed (beyond what's in the near-future RDNA 3 or even RDNA 4) and things like cpu+gpu chiplets, High Bandwidth Memory, and Gate-All-Around 3nm, transistors fabbed with EUV, faster SSD tech , etc, save it all for the PS6 instead of using some of it in a PS5 Pro.
I think one major question is will PSVR2 come out in late 2021, or sometime in 2022? I'm thinking Q4 2022 at the absolute latest,but wouldn't be surprised
if it's Q2 2022, or even Q4 2021. I'm including those new VR controllers from the patents when I say PSVR2.
In regard to a comment in the video of Sony's marketing strategy getting them more attention. It's expected that PS5 would have more hype behind it, Playstation is the bigger brand. Sure the drip feed of info helps but no matter what Sony would have done they would still have more attention anyway.
If you can, please let John know that as someone who has been going through a rough period in their own lives, that the backlog of DFRetro videos have been a great source of comfort. Being able to just enjoy really-well made and interesting content about retro games has been a great way to unwind at the end of otherwise stressful days. As a programmer in the games industry it has also made me care a lot more a games preservation, so it has had a positive influence on at least one person. And that one person appreciates it an awful lot.
I really enjoyed the breakdown! It's not much to go-on and I can't believe we only have until November before this machine launches and yet we still know so little about it.
I was lucky enough to visit Rottnest Island a few years back and see these adorable guys in person!To everyone at DF, this quokka wants to give you a big hug for your great work.
They are not.
They are selling the non-disk version at a loss to push digital sales and counter the anticipated budget version xbox (the s).
A subset of warriors were upset with DF for not posting a reaction video to the PS5 teardown right away, even though DF has a lot on its plate right now. When DF posted the video today, a similar group started pushing accusations of bias or conspiracy against Sony because they didn't believe that DF was sufficiently effusive in its tone. The heightened environment right now has been bearing a lot on the mental health of content creators.
I think the tribalism of modern social rhetoric, especially in the age of Twitter as a prominent platform combined with sociopolitical discourse, has gotten us here. It's an age where rhetoric is so weaponized that toxicity is unbelievably high.
Wow, console warring because of this kind of video is something alright.
I'm not sure what people expected out of this video. DF has the same information on this that we do; the original video on YouTube. We were never going to get any kind of insider anything, not until they get a unit of their own. So we got Richard's opinion on what he was seeing, which is frankly all I was expecting. The video was fine.
What people were actually wanting, it seems, was for DF to do their own teardown of the hardware. Which I don't know that they've ever done before? Did they ever do a full post-release teardown of an Xbox One or PS4? Even that XSX video was done under MS's watchful eye, using their pre-made little demo kit that was no doubt a hell of a lot easier to tear down than the real thing would be (and Sony did the same, they glossed over the removal of several dozen screws and cables in their video, too).
When it comes to the hardware like this, I'd be more interested in seeing someone like Gamer's Nexus do it, assuming they even do console breakdowns like this. At least they would have more detailed analysis of things like the liquid metal, which will no doubt make it a hell of a lot harder for the Average Joe to service than the PS4 was. I've taken my PS4 Pro apart twice, I'd probably be much less likely to do that with the PS5 based on the liquid metal alone.
What people were actually wanting, it seems, was for DF to do their own teardown of the hardware. Which I don't know that they've ever done before? Did they ever do a full post-release teardown of an Xbox One or PS4? Even that XSX video was done under MS's watchful eye, using their pre-made little demo kit that was no doubt a hell of a lot easier to tear down than the real thing would be (and Sony did the same, they glossed over the removal of several dozen screws and cables in their video, too).
When it comes to the hardware like this, I'd be more interested in seeing someone like Gamer's Nexus do it, assuming they even do console breakdowns like this. At least they would have more detailed analysis of things like the liquid metal, which will no doubt make it a hell of a lot harder for the Average Joe to service than the PS4 was. I've taken my PS4 Pro apart twice, I'd probably be much less likely to do that with the PS5 based on the liquid metal alone.
Huh interesting, I've never seen that on Era comment threads on DF pieces. I love their production style and watch all their stuff despite having no interest in a Series X.
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Can we ban fanboys and console war crap?
If you're emotionally invested in a plastic box you're either 12 or never progressed past that age emotionally. Grow the fuck up.
DF is awesome is all I have to say on that matter.
I also can't see how they're meant to be enthused when they can't even get hands on with the hardware yet and ask the engineers questions.
I also can't see how they're meant to be enthused when they can't even get hands on with the hardware yet and ask the engineers questions.
How absurd. DF is incredibly professional and open about their process. How insecure do you have to be to accuse them of bias?
We even needed have a warning from mods on this thread? People suck.
Agree
Even though I'm getting a series X I'm still interested in what Sony has produced and DF would usually be my 1st place to go for a tear down.
Overall it was a good video for the limited information that they had without having actual hands on with the console.
Just hopping in to say the DF videos and guys are fantastic. I especially love the DF Retro series, which I regularly watch and flip through old videos. I found this teardown analysis fascinating and informative. Clearly those of us that appreciate their work need to have a louder voice.
It's hard to be louder than toxic people in general unfortunately.
That's kind of reductive. And just false.
There are many people (men, mostly) who are in their 30s and 40s and dedicate an extreme amount of time to this stuff. And are also very hostile.
made the mistake of looking at that @kratostwin Twitter feed. It's 100% console warrior crap. It's mind boggling to me that people are THAT invested in a piece of hardware.
One of the most eye-opening things I realized not that long ago from browsing Era and other gaming sites is how many of the worst fanboys are middle aged adults, often with families. I find it disturbing how much of the console warring is waged by these kind of people. You'd think the responsibility of a job, kids, and life in general would get more in the way, yet they still find the time to spend hours a day warring on forums.
Awesome video. DF is amazing. Rich is great. Love the analysis. As was discussed a little in the video, PS5 info being slowly trickled out versus XSX is to keep people ravenously discussing (or arguing) over every small bit of info Sony strategically releases. It's simply a different approach.
People treat these companies like sports teams, and exclusive games/deals/acquisitions like their team scoring a point in a game.
It's weird, and yet it's prolific even here.
The DF video is a reaction video about a tear down video. The only reason I watched it was to support DF and the work they do. Did it give any extra information no, did it raise more questions yes and everyone of those questions can have assumed answers but they are just that, assumptions without any official confirmation from Sony.
It seems like a lot of people were looking for DF to do a video on the tear down so they could try to load up their ammo belts to have something to say against the competing platform or so they can shout bias.
Overall great video as always from DF and I can't wait until they actually get a PS5 in hand so they can put it through its paces.
It seems like a lot of people were looking for DF to do a video on the tear down so they could try to load up their ammo belts to have something to say against the competing platform or so they can shout bias.
Overall great video as always from DF and I can't wait until they actually get a PS5 in hand so they can put it through its paces.
For most of this gen I wasn't involved in all the online communities. I still played games but but I wasn't that involved in the forum discussions and stuff. But now due to covid lockdowns I've come back into them, probably a big mistake lol
I don't know if its just because im in my 30s now but there are so many people that are acting like children when it's clear they're not.
Yea it is. It's fine people having preferences but this goes far beyond that.
I think that's one part of why it's extra toxic due to COVID people are going everywhere online and launch has always been terrible discourse
I actually think it is an 2230 PCIe v4 x2 part, I would be surprised if it is sold to consumers. It is said that NAND chips usually do not get hot, but the controller do - in this case the controller and NAND is integrated in a very small form factor.
The casing isn't there for fun, if I see correctly it will be touched by central metal frame.
But there are pros and cons.
+ will be replaceable
- full disassembly required
- contact in itself is a point of failure (and are surprisingly expensive too)
- heat generation from a small chip
+ There will be a lot fewer faults on SSDs than there were on mechanical HD (all next gen consoles)
A 2280 could not fit at that position in an xbox, contact looks placed in center thus only 151/2 mm = 76 mm and you would be on the outside of the box... Better placement would be needed. PS5 placement looks very nice
- own shield (should not disturb or be disturbed by other parts)
- looks like it could take 22110 PCIe v4 x4 (there is a hole on the very edge of the board)
- planned to have airflow
Ok, I decided to watch the video one again to see if I could make sense of some people's comments here accusing Richard of making any sort of biased comments and I just got very annoyed because the video is truly immaculate in its neutrality. Anybody accusing Richard of any kind of bias really doesn't deserve to be posting in this forum imo