Awww... I was hoping THEY had a hands on. It's just a review of the other video... meh. Still interesting, but the DF guys tearing it down themselves would be more interesting.
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Digital Foundry: Analysis of PS5 teardown video
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This is frustrating. I talked to John on here just before he left. We talked about his frustration with this place and the attacks. I recommended he get away from here. Obviously it's happening on Twitter too.
Awful stuff, these are fucking video games.
They are clearly still waiting on getting hold of one. MS seems to be handing XSX out much more liberally at the moment.
I would argue it would be much better here because people get banned quite frequently. Twitter is a free for all.
Greg Miller was talking about this. When he worked at IGN, they got the PS4 2 days before launch. They also speculated that Sony will just send PS4 review copies, since it isn't like they are going to sell more PS5s at launch.
Can you imagine being that emotionally invested in the company that makes your video game console? lmao
It is, but this isn't anything new regarding video game tweets.
The only thing that makes me profoundly sad about this type of garbage is that how much it has spilled over into other subject areas. Politics and sports are just as poisoned as video games, but I am now seeing weird ultra toxic fanboy posts in things like medicine and science. The world is getting dumber and more vocal about it in the process.
Im just saying that was what they said as to why the video wasn't prioritised over other content
People are the worst, seriously. John should probably get off Twitter for his own sake.
"KratosTwin"
Fucking hell man, and that's probably one of the "nicest" examples you can find, I'm sure others aren't as subtle with their bullshit.
Holy shit. This is toxic.
I love DF . Hope John is doing well.
Jaydub just posted a picture of a baby infront of a stripped Xbox Series X and posted Digital Foundry over it.
yeah, hopefully this does die down after launch but I doubt it, I know its natural for people to have preferences I get it but being so angry about it or questioning or thinking you know someone's emotions or thoughts that are non verbal is insane to me lol.
Yep. Between DF threads and various other threads of devs talking about what's going on with their games, this type of cyberbullying has been rampant and needs to be met with bans.
Yeah, it's rough. I have enough trouble with all the negativity on Twitter and it's not even directed at me. I couldn't imagine being bombarded with it everyday.
Unfortunately he gets it here too, that type of sentiment isn't unique. There are silent people here who are full on trolls on YouTube/Twitter.
Bans aren't enough on their own to keep scads of fans from acting like tools, apparently.
Console wars stuff has been making gaming side more and more tiring to read through and participate in as of late. I never thought it'd get as bad as it has, this cycle.
I can see a great deal of 'confusion' in this thread.
No, it would not. It would be a simple de-solder and replace.
Both consoles have a dedicated, on-board SSD and even IF you can pop the SSD out of the SX or SS you cannot simply pop a new one in UNLESS MS have decided to change the Hardware Key locking they have used since forever.
Sony have always allowed you to replace the HD with your own until now, install the OS back and continue. These SSD's will last the life span as they will be limited on writes which is was degrades them, they can read forever. A console is not getting close to that limit unless you spend years installing and removing games and not playing them.
Everyone should simply look forward to the consoles landing and then enjoying. Worry about RMA claims if issues like RLOD or YLOD arise or equivalents there of.
It's even more sad when there's a range of opinions in the middle where someone will be called biased from both sides at the same time.
We incubated this attitude on Era. The community arrogantly pretends to be better... but it isn't. Just the old place with a coat of purple paint.
This place has done him no favours whatsoever, so many idiots throwing him under the bus
Got zero issues with the video or how Richard was in said video. As I have said previously. Oh well, enjoy your time turning molehills and all. :)
RIGHT that is what is hilarious about all of it. I just don't care to accuse ill just observe coverage and just not waste my time anymore.
its not even a problem with the site its just people in general. This shit is everywhere and its a lot worse because of being close to launch, and people probally way more anxious and angry with ALL the shit going on, its not an excuse but discourse has been poisned in this certain "fake news" era. It's ugly and I trust journalists way more than not and I just dont get why people cant see why people cant distinguish between them and some random blog site that just is there to clickbait.
Neutrality now means "something I personally agree with", anything else is bias. It's as Dictator pointed out, they'll be called biased by both Sony and Microsoft fanboys. The thread about John saying people might be positively surprised by the PS5 was a big mess, and of course there were people claiming they were biased in Sony's favor.
Trying to discuss next-gen consoles has gotten extremely exhausting.
Twitter is like the lowest depths of hell compared to here. The problem is in his line of work, you can't leave Twitter. It's a real shame.
It amazes me there are people who can accuse them of this. They are so objective and scientific in their analysis of everything they do, they are the one source I can go to and not have to worry about bias. If the One X or Series X is doing things better or more in testing than the PS5, then people need to accept that is what the data is saying.
I don't think it helps MS gives them special access, and Sony none. But that's on Sony for not providing them with the ability to make content at the same rate MS does.
As far as the tear down... We all saw from the weird layout of the Series X it was new and different, where the giant PS5 heat sync is more traditional. You don't have to be digital foundry to see this, and that's not a knock against their video as more as one against people who accuse them of being "biased" when talking about the two approaches.
I hope the guys over there are okay, and it sounds like a social media break is needed. As always, gamers prove they are some of the worst fans to have and its sad to see people as great as the guys on DF having to suffer because the community is toxic as hell.
De-soldering and replacing is not simple. Simple is unplugging and plugging in. Simple doesn't require specialized equipment.
Again, how would you know which chip out of the 6 is the defective one? Or, if you replace all of them, are you certain that the PS5 will be able to initialize the SSD? I'll answer this. No, you don't know that it can. There may be some factory initialization or test sequence required. People don't replace SSD Flash chips, so this is not a commonly known process. Now, could Sony do this? Sure, if there was ever a call for it. But probably not the average repair shop, and definitely not a user.
I do agree with you that it will likely be an issue on only a very small number of consoles as SSD reliability is high. But de-soldering 6 chips and soldering in new ones is not simple.
How to Solder BGAs Ball Grid Arrays » Electronics Notes
PCB assembly using ball grid arrays, BGAs requires a little more care as the contacts to be soldered are under the main chip and cannot be seen when in place.
Quote from the above article:
"it is not easy to rework BGA assemblies unless the correct equipment is available. If a BGA component is suspected as being faulty, then it is possible to remove the device. This is achieved by locally heating the BGA component to melt the solder underneath it.
In the BGA rework process, the heating is often achieved in a specialised rework station. This comprises a jig fitted with infrared heater, a thermocouple to monitor the temperature and a vacuum device for lifting the package. Great care is needed to ensure that only the BGA is heated and removed. Other devices nearby need to be affected as little as possible otherwise they may be damaged."
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I don't know if fanboyism is empirically worse than previous generations, but I do think it impacts certain people far more than others. John Linneman isn't the kind of guy who could handle this incessant harassment from gamers so desperate to make their preferred plastic look better than the other plastic. As someone who suffers with anxiety, I can relate to what John is going through. I can't imagine so many people constantly trying to undermine and smear you just for doing something you love, especially when you have problems with self-image. I would have so much difficulty in just getting things done when those voices are hammering you every day. It just isn't an ideal situation to be in regardless of which console generation it is. To some people, fanboyism doesn't impact them that much, but I'll just say I'm thankful that I'm not a target of harassment like John is. Just be nice to each other and don't even entertain with this useless competition.
Holy hell, poor John... :(
What are people so up in arms about?!
There was nothing wrong with Richard's video.
He'll get a hands-on with the console soon anyway, I mean, the next-gen consoles launch next month!
We'll get comparisons and probably DF's own teardown next month as well. Can people just friggin' calm down?
What are people so up in arms about?!
There was nothing wrong with Richard's video.
He'll get a hands-on with the console soon anyway, I mean, the next-gen consoles launch next month!
We'll get comparisons and probably DF's own teardown next month as well. Can people just friggin' calm down?
Social media was a mistake.
I honestly feel sorry for everyone that needs social media to promote their work.
There NEEDS to be some sort of laws so that when we create a social media account it can't simply be anonymous like it is right now.
Online abuse needs to be punished, period.
I hope I'm wrong, but with the new consoles launching, DF will probably release loads of vids where versions of PS5, XSX and PC will be compared, so I guess this won't stop anytime soon 😔
People are just dumb. Utterly and profoundly dumb.
I saw Nibel saying something like that yesterday too. DuskGolem retired because of that too.
I'm wondering if people are enjoying their video games anymore, or if they just want to shit on the brand they chose not too like.
There was a point in time where only a very few people were on Twitter. When the third most followed person was Stephen Fry. In the early days Twitter was nirvana and everyone was generally nice.
Then the general public caught on.
That's the worst part. This is only just beginning.
Once the face-offs start....well, you know what will happen.
edit: this post sounded like a threat, lmao. i meant that people will get even more agressive. Console wars are so damn stupid.
Unfortunately we live in a world where people don't want to expand their world view or knowledge , they simply want to have their existing opinions reinforced.
It's why everything is becoming more polarised and more extreme in every facet of the world.
You know that saying "Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans"? it's wrong.
Nobody hates gaming more than gamers. They always want the new thing now, they don't like it when they get, they don't want to pay full price for it, they'll shit on six months later, then they'll demand the next new thing now.
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This was not the argument, IF you find this scary then having to dismantle either machine to get this point already makes it a mute point. And the SX heat shield also looks soldered on, albeit less involved.
The most important part is in warranty neither can get to this level to replace them WITHOUT voiding it, so it seems a mute argument IMOP.
I do agree with you that it will likely be an issue on only a very small number of consoles as SSD reliability is high. But de-soldering 6 chips and soldering in new ones is not simple.
How to Solder BGAs Ball Grid Arrays » Electronics Notes
PCB assembly using ball grid arrays, BGAs requires a little more care as the contacts to be soldered are under the main chip and cannot be seen when in place.www.electronics-notes.com
Quote from the above article:
"it is not easy to rework BGA assemblies unless the correct equipment is available. If a BGA component is suspected as being faulty, then it is possible to remove the device. This is achieved by locally heating the BGA component to melt the solder underneath it.
In the BGA rework process, the heating is often achieved in a specialised rework station. This comprises a jig fitted with infrared heater, a thermocouple to monitor the temperature and a vacuum device for lifting the package. Great care is needed to ensure that only the BGA is heated and removed. Other devices nearby need to be affected as little as possible otherwise they may be damaged."
I am well aware of this process, I used to and still do this. You can use IR localised heat stations or heat stations and/or guns, of which I have and own both to do this and it opens up a market for repairs, which is not a bad thing.
The simple process here is that within 1 year this will always be a send back to Sony/MS and beyond this point I expect many places to offer a cheap solution to repair this, I will do this myself if/as needed.
The bigger question is if Sony enable a simple USB Firmware/OS install DIY style and MS continue to not, then the PS5 will be an easier machine to repair as only MS or approved 'Xbox centres' can do it.
Again though, this seems concern for unfounded concerns sake and I have seen and heard so much of that over the past few months. I think we can all rest easy on this area for all 4 consoles right now.
it's the lord's year of 2020 and people are still fanboy warring about digitalfoundry content
i thought the video was interesting. people really need to chill lol
i thought the video was interesting. people really need to chill lol
John has got to get off social media. I'm worried about him with how much it's affecting his health. People are terrible. They will always be terrible.
This was a solid video. More like just general light commentary. Not really anything substantial or meaty, but still enjoyable.
This was a solid video. More like just general light commentary. Not really anything substantial or meaty, but still enjoyable.
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Yay! more positive vibes!To everyone at DF, this quokka wants to give you a big hug for your great work.
So what are you suggesting here? And what evidence do you have to support your theory? You're not debating. You're making silly baseless insinuations.
My post count is irrelevant and referring to it is just dumb.
And "yikes". Lol.
It sucks that real people end up feeling shit because of silliness like this. It's all opinion at the end of the day. DF content is some of the better games press coverage. It will suck if John and co decide it not worth the hassle.
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To everyone at DF, this quokka wants to give you a big hug for your great work.
For sure, that tweet from earlier was some awful stuff so all the best to the whole team!
De-soldering and replacing is not simple. Simple is unplugging and plugging in. Simple doesn't require specialized equipment.
Again, how would you know which chip out of the 6 is the defective one? Or, if you replace all of them, are you certain that the PS5 will be able to initialize the SSD? I'll answer this. No, you don't know that it can. There may be some factory initialization or test sequence required. People don't replace SSD Flash chips, so this is not a commonly known process. Now, could Sony do this? Sure, if there was ever a call for it. But probably not the average repair shop, and definitely not a user.
I do agree with you that it will likely be an issue on only a very small number of consoles as SSD reliability is high. But de-soldering 6 chips and soldering in new ones is not simple.
How to Solder BGAs Ball Grid Arrays » Electronics Notes
PCB assembly using ball grid arrays, BGAs requires a little more care as the contacts to be soldered are under the main chip and cannot be seen when in place.
Quote from the above article:
"it is not easy to rework BGA assemblies unless the correct equipment is available. If a BGA component is suspected as being faulty, then it is possible to remove the device. This is achieved by locally heating the BGA component to melt the solder underneath it.
In the BGA rework process, the heating is often achieved in a specialised rework station. This comprises a jig fitted with infrared heater, a thermocouple to monitor the temperature and a vacuum device for lifting the package. Great care is needed to ensure that only the BGA is heated and removed. Other devices nearby need to be affected as little as possible otherwise they may be damaged."