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OtherWorldly

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Dec 3, 2018
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Here's some less-than refreshing news about soda: even sugar-free versions were associated with a higher risk of death in a study of 452,000 people in 10 countries.
The study, published Tuesday by the Journal of the American Medical Association, found that people who drank two or more glasses of soft drinks per day were more likely to die from all types of ailments, compared with people who drank less than one glass per month.
 

Deleted member 16365

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Oct 27, 2017
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Higher risk of death? More than the 100% we already have?

This article is hard to follow and doesn't really go into the meaning of the stats. Other studies have showed that diet drinks trick your mind into craving sugar and other foods which leads to issues, but this study implies that simply drinking a diet soda will cause vascular disease. I'm not knocking the study, just the article. I'm sure there's more to it than this, but as it's written this seems like junk science.

For instance

The study, published Tuesday by the Journal of the American Medical Association, found that people who drank two or more glasses of soft drinks per day were more likely to die from all types of ailments, compared with people who drank less than one glass per month.

Well yeah. But what is the root cause? A similar study might show that people who drive twice a day are more likely to die in an auto accident than people who drive once a month.
 

Reeks

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Oct 27, 2017
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Would be nice to see the study; wish I still had access to the journal. I'd like to see how they control for other dietary consumption - it seems as though people who are more likely to drink even diet soda in high quantities might also more likely to have unhealthy lifestyles/diets.
 

FinKL

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hold up,
people who drank two or more glasses of soft drinks per day were more likely to die from all types of ailments, compared with people who drank less than one glass per month.

60 sodas a month vs close to 1 soda a month. Gee I wonder who's healthier
 

Futureman

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Oct 26, 2017
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People who are really healthy are drinking water.

I'm sure diet soda is better than regular but on average the typical person who feels the need to drink diet soda is probably doing so because they are disappointed in their overall health and they are trying to implement a positive change.
 

Zipzoom

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May 27, 2019
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People who are really healthy are drinking water.

I'm sure diet soda is better than regular but on average the typical person who feels the need to drink diet soda is probably doing so because they are disappointed in their overall health and they are trying to implement a positive change.
Or they just like the taste?
 

kmfdmpig

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Oct 25, 2017
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Pretty extreme to drink less then one glass a month.
I wonder if making the healthy group outliers influences the results. I rarely have soda, but probably have 1 to 2 per month. I imagine the number that have less are fairly hardcore and likely focused on being healthy in general.
 

Volimar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Okay Iwas going to come in here with the whole correlation/causation thing but who drinks two glasses of soda every day?
 

Nothing Loud

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Oct 25, 2017
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What a joke. Find something better than correlation. I wouldn't be surprised if people with horrible diseases already drink lots of diet soda along with other things

I'm not giving up Sparkling Ice at $0.88 per bottle
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Feb 1, 2018
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Doesn't "linked" imply correlation and not causation? "All types of ailments" is way too broad and I don't really see how diet soda specifically plays a part in that

Anyway, I'm here for a good time not a long time
 
Oct 25, 2017
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That's a big gap though. If I said people who ate 2 hamburgers or more per day were more likely to die earlier than someone who ate a hamburger once a month, you wouldn't say hamburgers kill you, you'd probably wonder how many hamburgers will kill you.
 

KHarvey16

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Oct 27, 2017
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As always evaluate the results of scientific studies in proper context and keep in mind the recognized limitations cited by the authors:

Limitations
To our knowledge, this study is the largest to date to investigate the association between soft drink consumption and mortality. However, it has several limitations. Given the observational design of the study, it is not possible to establish causality between soft drink consumption and mortality, and we recognize that the observed associations may be biased because of residual confounding. However, the large number of participants and recorded deaths (approximately 42 000) allowed us to conduct analyses by subgroups of other mortality risk factors, and we generally observed similar associations across subgroups of considered risk factors. Furthermore, the negative control analysis found no association between consumption of soft drinks and deaths from external causes. This study was also limited by a single assessment of soft drink consumption at baseline.
 

Manu

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Oct 27, 2017
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Didn't we get another study earlier saying getting too little sleep can kill you but sleeping too much can kill you too?

I just accept everything is trying to kill me all the time now.
 

Hollywood Duo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Seems like people who drink a lot of diet soda are not people with a healthy diet to begin with so I'm not sure I buy a direct correlation.
 

ArkhamFantasy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't see anything in this study about the rest of their diet. If participants are eating a bad diet as well as diet soda, compared to someone who eats a healthy diet and doesn't drink diet soda, that doesn't mean the diet soda is responsible for the early death.

I think it's pretty likely that people who eat unhealthy also tend to have soda/diet soda in their diet, as opposed to people that actively choose a healthier lifestyle are more likely not to drink sodas.

Seems like people who drink a lot of diet soda are not people with a healthy diet to begin with so I'm not sure I buy a direct correlation.

You said it better than me, thank you.
 

Wraith

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Jun 28, 2018
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Side note: Market Watch surfacing comments like notifications on the bottom-left of the screen is... not a good look. I don't want to be notified of each mindless comment as they come in. I can scroll down if I want to wade into the mud.
 

L Thammy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Or they just like the taste?
I just shifted from Coke to Coke Zero because I felt like the taste was close enough that I might as well. Coke Cherry Zero's where it's really at but I can never find any here.

It might save me from developing diabetes but my metabolism's good as it is, so it's done absolutely nothing for my weight.
 

Keuja

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yes, generally healthier people are less at risk of dying from random ailments than less healthy people. I don't think I need a study for that.
 

Frostinferno

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Oct 25, 2017
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Only interesting part of that article

The study found differences in the health effects of drinks that contain sugar versus those that are artificially sweetened. Sugar-sweetened soft drinks were associated with digestive-disease deaths (a broad category that includes diseases of the liver, appendix, pancreas, intestines and other illnesses), while higher consumption of sugar-free versions was associated with deaths from circulatory diseases, including ischemic heart disease, also known as coronary artery disease.