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Did you like Final Fantasy VII Remake's ending? [POLL] [SPOILERS]
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I really don't think they'll do that. It would kill one of the central themes of the entire story (dealing with loss) and it wouldn't really add anything except "oh fuck we need to find a different and probably far dumber and more convoluted way to stop Meteor".
If it was a one for one retelling with some expanded stuff it would've been a cool game but nothing grand. Once they started with the futzing with the flash forwards I knew this game had something up its sleeve that I overall thought was successful in keeping me enthralled as they kept teasing the other shoe to drop until it did...with the rest of the warehouse.
Why are folks saying "three parts" kinda definitively? A trilogy is quite possible and sounds conceptually snappy but I'm still banking on four parts instead.
I noticed Maximilian Dood (one of few YouTubers whose names I know lol) apparently said "trilogy" as well. I just don't see them getting through the rest of the game that quickly, wacky sequel-esque alternate dimension or otherwise.
Agreed. It's probably going to be four parts if they want to cover every major location and not cut anything substantial.
Does Nomura know what themes are?? Other than...like... "darkness vs. light" as a ""theme"". 🤣 (half joking)
I honestly wonder if he does. Because his games seem to be less about themes and more about intangible concepts - "fighting against fate" isn't a theme because fate doesn't actually exist. It has no analogue in the real world to comment on, it has nothing to say about the human condition.
Right? He's 1000% ( 🔥 🔥 🔥 ) style > substance. I don't see him doing a meaningful choice over something that looked/sounded cool.
To be fair, fate as a concept could be applied to other, tangible, things like the status quou as well, which I do think works fine as an overall theme considering the circumstances.
I mean, they already have a theme of rebelling against the status quo with the fight against Shinra, a far more logical and well-thought-out theme with actual real-world implications.
Fighting destiny/things they can't normally change is culmination of that concept I feel, or that's what I feel like he's going for. The execution leaves a lot to be desired, and even this could be giving Nomura a lot of credit considering I kind of imagine he just writes down whatever scenes he thinks looks cool and slaps it into whatever game he's directing.
Yeah... I really didn't want another FF7 spin-off game, which is basically what this is and will become. Not only did it completely botch the reveal of Sephiroth, but the whispers and the whole time travel multiverse bullshit turned me off this whole thing entirely. I just can't see how people like it.
And judging by the quality of the stuff they added in the FF7 remake, I don't have any confidence in any new direction they'd take the game now that they have a license to write a new story. Sections like 'the drum" and "Shinra monkey bars" were some of the most painful shit I had to endure in a game. Just dragged on forever and bored me to death. So yeah... I dunno. I'm seriously bummed out about the whole thing. Was looking forward to this for so damn long and I'm devastated that this is the shit we got :(
I'm just kinda bummed that they called it Final Fantasy VII Remake when it's clearly a spin-off.
Played the original, loved the ending. Incredibly ballsy on Square Enix's part and I'm not surprised a portion of the fanbase aren't happy with it, but me? Personally?
I am so goddamn excited for what the future holds now. I'm in. I'm so, so in.
I am so goddamn excited for what the future holds now. I'm in. I'm so, so in.
Just finished it. Loved every goddamn second of it. Really love how much it shakes up the original game. And now it seems like we might have entirely deviated from the original timeline potentially. Very exciting stuff. I just hope we don't have to wait like 5 more years for the next installment.
Same. I felt everything they added was fantastic. Things changing and this being an alternate course of history makes it far more interesting than knowing what will happen before it does. We know the beats, but I look forward to the changes to see how things pan out differently.
The Zac stuff is exciting, and I really want to know about Jessie as well.
I say 3 Part because I don't see them getting an additional 3 out next gen, I don't see it being a 3 generation game. If it is a 3 generation game (with a year of exclusivity for each Probaby) that definitely moves projects to a ps6 and by that time idk...I'll be in my 50's
Plus if they do their own thing and not just make a one to one copy which looks like they won't be. It could even end at two parts. We will wait and see though. Next game may have less filler side quests.
I've been calling that since the beginning. You want a swerve? THAT is a motherfucking swerve that I don't think a lot of people will see coming.
And yet it's been mentioned so many times in every single thread about the game that it's pretty clear all of us see it coming.
Reading back through the last few pages of the thread and this post pretty much perfectly sums it up for me.
I'm not interested in the whole destiny narrative and I really strongly feel all the destiny/timeline shit holds the narrative as a whole back. Just beyond frustrating because, as I noted in my earlier post, I genuinely loved FFVIIR when it played it straight. And I even enjoyed the added and adjusted sections: it was just the whispers and their implications that I didn't like. And then I got to the whisper reveal and it was honestly worse than I was expecting, even. They got what they wanted and surprised me, but a story isn't good because it's surprising, and nothing about this made for a good story imo.
Maybe one day I'll get an actual remake.
Yes here on ERA y'all have to realize this is a real bubble and that a lot of people out there probably would not see that coming.
Right?! Ugh the wait for the next game is going to be PAINFUL.
Yeah. I really hope it's only two years at most and they're well into development. Development should be shorter at least with so many assets already created.
That's the thing -- I'm personally predicting that while they'll be "doing their own thing" on numerous levels, they still want to retrace the steps that Cloud and the rest of the gang took along the way. If I'm right about that, then in order to fit the remainder of the original Final Fantasy VII's journey into two more titles they'll need to cut about half that content. At that point, every complaint that Remake has padding is going into overdrive in the opposite direction.
The miracle play here is that somehow Square manages to convincingly fit everything up until City of the Ancients (or its revamped landmark representation) in the next game, and to do that and continue enhancing characterization by magnitudes and bring Red, Yuffie, Cait Sith, Vincent and Cid in as playable characters... that just seems outrageously challenging. lol
Man Square really did it. People will talk and argue for years to come what will come next. You just don't know. That's fucking exciting! The could change nothing, the game could pan out basically the same way because "we can defeat faith, but not Destiny" i don't know something like that. And you STILL would be excited as fuck because you just don't know at all. Will they change this next part? Oh god will Aerith die? What will happen in Gongaga? WIll Zack appear? What happens in the Tempel? Will cloud get crazy again ? Will he retell the same Story?
This shit is exciting. It's okay to not have faith in Square to pull that off, but not seeing how exciting that is is strange. Why would you want to have exactly the same game just with prettier graphics? this is far more exciting.
This shit is exciting. It's okay to not have faith in Square to pull that off, but not seeing how exciting that is is strange. Why would you want to have exactly the same game just with prettier graphics? this is far more exciting.
lol, were you asking this the previous 5 years between the reveal and getting to the ending? Of course if I wanted the exact same game I'd get a ps1 and play it on a crt tv.
Personally this game was fulfilling everything I had hoped it would be when it was just trying to be a faithful remake. My only gripes with the game were the texture issues, Aerith's voice sometimes, some characterizations, and I thought the ghosts were stupid and unnecessary even before their true nature became obvious.
Chapter 18 for me was a huge steaming pile to be blunt, and the idea that the guys who made this decision are going to continue to stray from the path and not stay faithful to all the future FF7 stuff to come fills me with dread, not excitement.
I would have been excited for the same game just with prettier graphics aswell. This is just far more exciting. We don't know what's next, how this is not more exciting than getting the same experience just with prettier graphics is beyond me.
Just finished the game last night and I loved the game (even though I think it has a number of flaws) up until chapters 17 and 18. I still enjoyed chapter 17 and didn't mind the boss rush, but as soon as they changed President Shinra's death and Barrett got stabbed my fear that things were going to go downhill spiked. Even at that point, if the game ended at the end of the highway I would have still been happy overall.
But everything after that for me was just complete nonsense. I was frowning at the TV for the last hour of the game thinking wtf is this. The anime clusterfuck of the last two boss battles was so disappointing. Why is Cloud cutting through buildings and jumping up 5 storeys, but I just spent 2 hours pulling levers for him to go about 10 metres in the Drum. Everyone knew this was part one of the remake, it didn't need to have a world ending battle as the finale, especially against Sephiroth. He shows up way too often in this game, there is no mystery, no buildup.
The finale has really soured my experience, it just didn't feel like the same universe as the original. Maybe that's my problem and I probably should have seen this coming as I haven't enjoyed a FF game since 12 and also didn't like Advent Children. I feel like I need to play through the original to get the bad taste out of my mouth. While I will still play the other parts I will definitely be waiting for them to be on sale.
But everything after that for me was just complete nonsense. I was frowning at the TV for the last hour of the game thinking wtf is this. The anime clusterfuck of the last two boss battles was so disappointing. Why is Cloud cutting through buildings and jumping up 5 storeys, but I just spent 2 hours pulling levers for him to go about 10 metres in the Drum. Everyone knew this was part one of the remake, it didn't need to have a world ending battle as the finale, especially against Sephiroth. He shows up way too often in this game, there is no mystery, no buildup.
The finale has really soured my experience, it just didn't feel like the same universe as the original. Maybe that's my problem and I probably should have seen this coming as I haven't enjoyed a FF game since 12 and also didn't like Advent Children. I feel like I need to play through the original to get the bad taste out of my mouth. While I will still play the other parts I will definitely be waiting for them to be on sale.
Because this is a sequel. You're excited for a sequel, not a remake and many of us aren't really interested in sequels especially given their past attempts in the FF7 universe. Changing story beats, characters, and piling on major themes over the original is repainting the story with a large brush, in wide strokes over an already beautiful painting. If you had a beautiful classical painting at home from a respected artist, but it got dusty, maybe some cracks are showing, some paint is fading away, wouldn't anyone wish it was retouched? Give it a restoration by a professional so it looks like it's just been painted again?
To me, what we got however borders on fan-fiction (and the writing and execution certainly doesn't elevate it past that level for me so far). Personally I consider it pretty weak creatively to attempt to rewrite past events just for the sake of what I can only see as a short-term goal of keeping fans excited between entries, but that will fade away in time when the whole game is complete and then what's left? We'll have to see of course in the second part, they might just nail it and surprise everyone. If they actually want to do something different all together, then go for it. Go crazy. But they went about it in the biggest, bluntest way possible without any subtly or clear communication, so perhaps you can see why there's a lot of disappointment going on here. And I'll say it again, because this still a big part of why I can't be excited: I don't trust Nomura to carry this through. What we've already seen from chapter 18 was shoddy, poorly executed mess.
Also I am too sick of everyone telling me just replay the original if I wanted. The heaps of praise thrown towards the original parts of the remake (and the thing everyone agrees on were brilliantly done) show that the original does deserve a faithful remake. Imagine if just a few months ago someone barged in on a remake thread and asked everyone why are they excited, they could just replay the original game. It would have been unthinkable, with a very different attitude from the community, but here we are.
The thing is you don't know any of that. You are just speculating. It could pretty well be the same game. You just don't know and that's whats exciting.
Many people here are hating what could happen without even knowing what will happen.
I don't know about "bad communication". They were pretty open about "Retelling the Story".
Also it's not a sequel. It's a Remake. It's just a different sort of Remake. Remake means "make (something) again or differently". That's what Schreier was saying when he said "This could change the way Remakes will be done in future".
I've finished all the mainline FF games and lots of the spin-offs so I'm a big fan but one of the things I hate is when you go up against some Universal entity you have no connection to, Final Fantasy 9 being a perfect example with Necron. I always liked that in 7 Sephiroth was the orchestrater and ultimate goal but suddenly out of absolutely nowhere you have this giant arbiter of fate deity nonsense and a boss battle that scale wise, power wise, connection to the rest of the game, just doesn't fit at all. One moment you're on a bike chase and then the next you're fighting some multiversal god and at the edge of space and time? Hate it. Just hate it, doesn't feel earned or fitting at all.
Yeah, I'm with you on the first part. If part 2 and the rest remain faithful to the original, I may as well enjoy them, and if they do their own thing, then people can enjoy those too. Like I said, Remake part 2 will decide if this was a good move or not, and it remains to be seen.
And I'd say it's pretty bad communication considering the backlash. If they were really upfront about it, they could have slowly built up to the ending reveal, but they chose to keep things quiet. No talk of what the whispers are, what they could do. Only questions and reactions to them. Throwing such story and timeline altering information so suddenly rarely works, and considering the amount of complaints about execution, I'd say it didn't work, despite feelings about the ending itself. I can only think they knew what fans were expecting, a relatively faithful remake, and they played it out all the way to the very end just moments before the party leaves Midgar to unleash everything on the player. I will say that I never watched that final trailer with all the spoilers in it, but even then they weren't very clear considering all the expectations in place from the fan base.
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Oh i agree with you this could have been handled better perhaps ( At least from the looks of it ). But i refrain from judging Puzzle pieces without knowing how it will look at the end.
There are many instances in media where some things seem to not make any sense or appear nonsensical but will be explained in later parts. Now do we have faith that SE will explain everything and find a good way to develope the Story? I don't know. Is the Remake ( Ending is arguable ) the Single Player best Final Fantasy in many years? Yes it is. So let's have a little bit of faith.
It's pretty much Nomuras whole style to have illogical ass pulls at the end of his games to bait discussion with very little pay off in the follow up. How anyone has faith in him is beyond me. You only really need to take one look at what kingdom hearts has become in current day too want anyone else in the directors seat.
That's for sure, this game is a really faithful (in that it follows the game's overall sequence of events) account before throwing the twist.
That's the thing, though: they've said, time and time again, that they're splitting this game in parts to properly tell the story and not cutting anything. The ending of this game signals a change in direction, we just don't know how big. And, while it's unfair to judge this whole series already, it's obvious what feelings they want us to feel right now.
As in, it's clear that, with the death of the ghost plots and the "Unknown Journey" stuff, as well as the introduction of alternative timelines (where Zack is seemingly alive) that they could deviate a lot. Kitase mentioned the OG's big moments personally in 2016 (including Aerith's death), so I hope the themes and plot beats a remake would stay here. Otherwise, you might have called this project a remake+sequels since the beginning, although I understand that that's not how you subvert expectations and play with metacommentary, as badly executed as I believe it is.
I don't think we'll get something as crazy as, say, Cid appearing in Kalm already, Junon being destroyed when we get there or Gold Saucer being fully removed. But the potential for a completely different itinerary is there, and that's what's scary (the remaining games of the project definitely wouldn't count as remakes if so).
As of now, luckily the characters have the overall same motivations and goal. I hope the general journey receives the Midgar treatment while throwing a curveball every now and then (and that the alive alt-Zack doesn't show up much, but of course he's being set up for something).
I wish they said something soon. If I had the "guarantee" that, say, 75% of the OG's sequence of events and locations will somehow be there, I'm back to being excited again without caveats.
Like it or not, it's them telling you it's the Remake. This is what they will be doing going forward.
Explain to me the Definition of Remake. Why can a Remake only be "Same game different Gameplay and Graphics" ? Who says that?
Remake means "Doing the same again or differently". And that's exactly what they did.
It's not a remake. The story up to the end of Midgar is about 1/4 of Final Fantasy 7's story, everything after that point is going to be different. You can't take something and have 3/4s of it be something completely different and say its a remake. If they remade ANH and the Emperor showed up and stopped the Death Star getting blown up and told Luke who his dad was that wouldn't be a remake since the story going forward cannot be the same. You're just reusing the same characters and locations and telling a new story.
No you are not. They are telling the exact same story. Yuu are just continuing to make assumptions. You dont know if "3/4" of the game will be completely different. AS of this moment the game is a Remake, end of story. If the future games will change drastically from the original we can have this discussion again.
Since this part changed very little from the Original (apart from the last 30 minutes barely anything was really changed) it's a Remake. A Remake that changes more than just Gameplay and Graphics.
I...was confused? But I didn't hate it. I've never played the original.
The fights were awesome and it felt very grand and mysterious and satisfying, but it also felt like there were a lot of things that were intentionally obtuse to the point of being almost frustrating (wtf was that scene with Sephiroth at the edge of reality? And the whole "7 seconds" line - WHAT DOES THAT MEEEEANNNN???)
But overall I thought it was a very cool climax to an amazing game, and I'm excited (though slightly apprehensive - PLEASE MAKE SENSE EVENTUALLY) for what's to come next.
The fights were awesome and it felt very grand and mysterious and satisfying, but it also felt like there were a lot of things that were intentionally obtuse to the point of being almost frustrating (wtf was that scene with Sephiroth at the edge of reality? And the whole "7 seconds" line - WHAT DOES THAT MEEEEANNNN???)
But overall I thought it was a very cool climax to an amazing game, and I'm excited (though slightly apprehensive - PLEASE MAKE SENSE EVENTUALLY) for what's to come next.
There is an amazig Theory going on about that 7 second Line. Can't explain it to you and i would not look it up if you haven'T played the original cause it contains a huge, huuuuuge spoiler.
I liked it.
Felt like they were giving long time fans something more to chew on and new ones something more interesting than the highway boss and credits. It also makes no actual promises despite all the big brain theories going around which is great. The hook of "will they change it, will they keep it" is a pretty good idea imo. As long as they don't go full kingdom hearts with stringing people along I'll be satisfied either way.
Felt like they were giving long time fans something more to chew on and new ones something more interesting than the highway boss and credits. It also makes no actual promises despite all the big brain theories going around which is great. The hook of "will they change it, will they keep it" is a pretty good idea imo. As long as they don't go full kingdom hearts with stringing people along I'll be satisfied either way.
If you're talking about what I'm thinking, I think that was disproven going by the chapter's description.
But yeah, big spoilers from the OG in any case!
The 7 second it took for Aerith to day? What do you mean by disproved? The chapter Description is "Destinys Crossroads" isn't it?
7 seconds before doomsday. Its in the chapter description.
That explains the 7 seconds bit.
But then why does he say something like "what will you do with it" and "enough for you, maybe' about it? Like implying that Cloud could play god and create a new reality or something? Why is Sephiroth so interested in having Cloud on his side/"survive"/"run away"?? lol so many questions. I hope the next one isn't in like, 5-10 years
I didn't read the chapter description though, I'll check it out.
Didn't love it nor hated it. I don't mind that they're taking liberties with the story but I don't care for the embarrassing Kingdom Hearts stuff. It all dependes on how the second part turns out and if they don't go full KH, which would be a disaster.
As I see it the whispers can be interpreted as the fans who know what's going to happen and keep whispering and playing arbiters of fate to keep every story beat the same. Now the writers are free from that.
As I see it the whispers can be interpreted as the fans who know what's going to happen and keep whispering and playing arbiters of fate to keep every story beat the same. Now the writers are free from that.
Lifejumper already answered in his latest post. It seems, then, that that phrase refers to this, unless they want to pull another twist.
I really wonder could Cloud do tho.