Did Upgrading to Ryzen Kill My Frames?

[Vexii]

tl;dr - Moved from i7 6700K to Ryzen 5 3600XT and lost some GPU performance; expected behaviour?

I've decided to do everything that I could to upgrade my old i7 6700K system, and have moved over to the Ryzen 5 3600XT that I'm pretty happy with. Benched the performance and get numbers ~par with benchmark review scores, so the CPU seems to work well despite being 2nd hand.

But my GPU seems to have dropped in performance by ~6-10% because of this. Granted being a 4GB GTX 960 it's old by today's standards, but I was intending to go up in performance, not down. I know that Intel were typically the forerunner in video game performance, but the drop is rather staggering when comparing a 5 year old CPU to a 4 month old CPU.

Did Ryzen kill my frames and can I no longer win games?

Spoiler: Comparison Pics

You'll see that my GPU overclock is also a little lower under Ryzen - for some reason those stable numbers were less stable under Ryzen.

 

[Deleted member 10629]

For some reason some games don't like Ryzen that much

 

[TSM]

You are using a very old version of Windows. Does it have proper Ryzen support?

 

[Kuro]

check if your motherboard needs a bios update for compatibility with that generation of Ryzen CPU.

 

[Exposure]

...wait, actually, yeah, isn't NT 6.2 the version of Windows 8 that got dropped really fast when 8.1 came out?

 

[Shogun]

''upgraded'' to Ryzen.

 

[Broadbandit]

if you had your 6700k overclocked you went from 4c/8t to 6c/12t with better multicore support but very similar single core speed

 

[ThereAreFourNaan]

check if your motherboard needs a bios update for compatibility with that generation of Ryzen CPU.

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If it didnt have compatility it wouldnt run

 

[JEH]

Need more info. What is your mobo for one.

make sure to update to latest bios and chipset from your mobo support page.

 

[arrado]

What kind of ram are you using?

 

[Kuro]

OP try a newer benchmark or a newer game's in-game benchmark.

If it didnt have compatility it wouldnt run

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Well it technically would but then it would blue screen a lot. Had this happen with a friend who didn't update their bios.

 

[Norris1020]

Did you upgrade your ram as well? Ryzen really needs faster ram to get the most out of it.

 

[Prelude]

Is your RAM at least 3000 MHz?

 

[Vexii]

Thanks for the replies all!

You are using a very old version of Windows. Does it have proper Ryzen support?

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Lmao I had to laugh at this when I noticed. I'm 100% running the latest feature Windows 10 update 😋

Need more info. What is your mobo for one.

make sure to update to latest bios and chipset from your mobo support page.

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Motherboard is an Asus X570-P and the BIOS update was the very first thing that I ran, so it's as new as is supplied on the Asus website

What kind of ram are you using?

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32GB of DDR4 Crucial Ballistix RGB 3200MHz

 

[Broadbandit]

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Did you enable PBO?

 

[Vexii]

Edit: Saw

Did you enable PBO?

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PowerBoost Overdrive right? Got to be honest I haven't touched anything like that. I've enabled XMP but the PowerBoost stuff, I honestly don't really understand

 

[reelbigeddy]

Be careful OP, Ryzen killed my frames then also my dog.

 

[Prelude]

But are you getting lower performance in actual games?

 

[Broadbandit]

PowerBoost Overdrive right? Got to be honest I haven't touched anything like that. I've enabled XMP but the PowerBoost stuff, I honestly don't really understand

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I would definitely enable PBO in your mobo bios.


Your pictures show your 6700k at stock 4.0 ghz and ryzen at stock 3.8ghz. What cpu cooler are you using with it?

 

[Mórríoghain]

I went from 6700K to 3700x, have an rtx 3080. Some games perform better, some don't. But the biggest gains are the lowest 1% and 0.1% fps'. Average fps doesn't change that much but games that I'd have stutters with 6700K eliminated with 3700x.

 

[Vexii]

But are you getting lower performance in actual games?

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Yeah noticeably so. I don't have any performance metrics but based on what I could see in Afterburner/RTSS my performance with VSync off was approx. that 10% lower IIRC

 

[shadowhaxor]

Thanks for the replies all!


Lmao I had to laugh at this when I noticed. I'm 100% running the latest feature Windows 10 update 😋


Motherboard is an Asus X570-P and the BIOS update was the very first thing that I ran, so it's as new as is supplied on the Asus website


32GB of DDR4 Crucial Ballistix RGB 3200MHz

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Make sure your ram is running at the advertised speed. install CPUID and see if the memory shows up as 1000mhz. The ram may not be running at the proper speeds and you'll need to go into the bios to adjust. This happens a lot with Ryzen.

Also make sure Precision Boost OverDrive Configuration (PBO) is enabled. Your motherboard may not support it.

 

[Prelude]

Yeah noticeably so. I don't have any performance metrics but based on what I could see in Afterburner/RTSS my performance with VSync off was approx. that 10% lower IIRC

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Older games might prefer higher single core performance, but you'll probably still get better overall performance now, with less stutter and smaller dips.

 

[Vexii]

I would definitely enable PBO in your mobo bios.


Your pictures show your 6700k at stock 4.0 ghz and ryzen at stock 3.8ghz. What cpu cooler are you using with it?

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The pictures are a bit misleading because they aren't showing that Ryzen is boosting to ~4.4Ghz during the benchmark. 6700K would reach 4.2Ghz max. I've never overclocked it either. I'll have a look for PBO in the BIOS though because it sounds very handy.

I went from 6700K to 3700x, have an rtx 3080. Some games perform better, some don't. But the biggest gains are the lowest 1% and 0.1% fps'. Average fps doesn't change that much but games that I'd have stutters with 6700K eliminated with 3700x.

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That's a real good point actually, and I didn't think about that. That makes me feel a little better at least/

 

[Vexii]

Make sure your ram is running at the advertised speed. install CPUID and see if the memory shows up as 1000mhz. The ram may not be running at the proper speeds and you'll need to go into the bios to adjust. This happens a lot with Ryzen.

Also make sure Precision Boost OverDrive Configuration (PBO) is enabled. Your motherboard may not support it.

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It's showing as just a tick under 1600MHz, which if I understand is correct for 3200MHz RAM right?

 

[overthewaves]

I actually had a massive boost in performance, but I was switching from a garbage i5-7400 to a 3700x paired with a GTX 1070.

 

[Broadbandit]

I honestly think it's time for you to move on from the 960.


You can almost get 200% perf increase with a 5600 xt for $280

Your minimum fps is so much better on the ryzen just noticed. 24.3 vs 8

 

[Fairxchange]

''upgraded'' to Ryzen.

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?

 

[ss_lemonade]

Strangely, I ran into a similar situation after upgrading from a 3570k to a 3700x. I kept my GPU overclock, benchmarks show CPU scores shoot way up but for some reason, my previous benchmarks was giving me a higher max framerate and average framerate number, eventhough minimums were much higher after the new CPU was installed and all games ran much smoother (no more stuttering). This was with a 1080 Ti.

 

[Vexii]

I honestly think it's time for you to move on from the 960.


You can almost get 200% perf increase with a 5600 xt for $280

Your minimum fps is so much better on the ryzen just noticed. 24.3 vs 8

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100%, it'll be gone sometime in the next month or two I hope. I think I'm just waiting for the 3000/6000 series stock to level out, and the market seems dead-set on keeping prices of older cards high so it seems a little wasteful to buy into even a GTX 16XX right now

 

[shadowhaxor]

It's showing as just a tick under 1600MHz, which if I understand is correct for 3200MHz RAM right?

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yep.

 

[ss_lemonade]

Here are some benches that I captured before and after swapping the CPU

3700x @ stock
32GB 3200
1080 Ti

compared with

3570k @ 4.4ghz
16GB
1080 Ti

3700x

3570k

3700x

3570k

I then reformatted and reinstalled Windows 10 and the results were still pretty much the same. Even 3dmark showed a difference in GPU scores, though this one might not be as useful since there was a 1 year gap between results and my 3570k OC seemed to be(?) slightly higher with the 3570k so maybe that was enough to cause the difference?

3570k (7629)

I scored 7 099 in Fire Strike Ultra

Intel Core i5-3570K Processor, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti x 1, 8192 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

3700x (7426)

I scored 7 528 in Fire Strike Ultra

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

 

[RivalGT]

intel is typically better for high frame rates like 144 fps or higher, dont know about AMD's newer CPU's though