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Did TLOU2 ultimately underperform commercially?
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A ND dev posted this a couple weeks ago
The numbers are generally a good ballpark figure for games that released recently.
Looks like it'll be close to 7m sold, based on the number of trophies tracked
Seems like pretty good numbers to me. I think it was always going to do pretty well out of the gate though, but we'll have to see if it's affected in the long term. A lot of folks didn't like it some of the narrative elements, so that might affect its long-term appreciation.
Seems like pretty good numbers to me. I think it was always going to do pretty well out of the gate though, but we'll have to see if it's affected in the long term. A lot of folks didn't like it some of the narrative elements, so that might affect its long-term appreciation.
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Interesting to see this. I wonder if PS5 will cut its legs. Maybe it'll get a $70 PS5 release with ray-tracing and other improved effects to keep the train rolling.A ND dev posted this a couple weeks ago
Let's talk about this in a year or two after the PS5 version with MP and also the bundles.
PS: I still believe this is the best looking game this gen.
PS: I still believe this is the best looking game this gen.
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Said this before, but I'm talking trajectory and expectations. Not expecting a game that's been out for 4 months to have the same sales as one that's been out for 7 years lol. I know ya'll want to have fun in threads, but use your reading comprehension skills first.
You asked if it underperformed. It did not. Asked and answered
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Lol. C'mon now. You guys know that's not what my argument was. Sales trajectory is what I want to discuss.
For me, with no MP I can wait until it is bargain bin price.
I'm sure the game sold fine.
If you're talking trajectory and expectations, then the premise of this thread makes no sense. You're asking if something has ultimately underperformed based on results that have not yet manifested. You should be asking if the game will ultimately underperform based on current numbers. And you yourself stated that you don't even know what numbers Sony was expecting from the game, so the basis of your inquiry is tenuous.
OP, I like the thread and I think it is something to discuss. However, I think you need to consider just how global Sony is, and TLOU 2 is going to sell much more than you see just in NPD. Just because it fell off the charts, doesn't mean it isn't necessarily still selling decently in many other markets, or that it still isn't selling decently even in the US still. I know you are probably aware of this, but I just wanted to bring it up since it wasn't really addressed in the OP.
All those numbers around the World, and sure, they aren't as big as they were at launch, but they are going to add up and be impressive!
All those numbers around the World, and sure, they aren't as big as they were at launch, but they are going to add up and be impressive!
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You can look at a trajectory and make assumptions about final sales. People are in this thread saying "OP thought the game would sell 20 million in 4 months."
Apologies if my language wasn't precise enough for you, but I think you understood what I meant.
Ok so did you look at the trajectory of the first game and compare the two?
I can understand this, especially since I thought Factions was the best part of the first game, and I loved the first game's single player (it was the reason I bought it, MP was an afterthought for me originally).
That said, I do think Part II was/is worth full price, especially at launch, especially to avoid spoilers. It's just an extremely high quality single player experience, and like the original, generates emotional feelings that isn't too comparable to many other games.
Still, however they iterate on the original multiplayer with Part II is going to be absolutely incredible if the gameplay and art direction of it is any direction.
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No, because PS4 outsold PS3 by what, 30 million units or something like that? I thought a comparison against another big PS4 title would be more apt given the big gap in console sales between PS3 and 4. Though I understand the argument for comparing it against TLOU1.
I bought the Remastered Version of TLOU on PS4, after beating it on PS3. So I counted as 2 sales for that game. However, I wouldn't buy a PS5 version of TLOU2. I just really dont have much of a desire to play through TLOU2 again. I did want to play through TLOU Part 1 again. I just feel like TLOU2 is so long, and has some dark moments, and I already know the story beats and stuff. I am just not in a hurry to replay it really.
I wonder if others feel the same? And if they do release a PS5 version that isn't a free upgrade, I wonder if as many people would double dip on the 2nd game as they did on the first game.
Nah, it may have been a bit more front loaded than some other PS titles, but it seems like it was insanely successful, breaking PlayStation records.
Contrary to the implication by some here, I thought the game was still charting in EU territories?
Keep in mind most of the 7m or whatever sales it likely has thus far are going to be full MSRP (hence higher in revenue and profit), once it hits consistent sales or lower pricing, it's going to pop back in the charts intermittently, much like other Sony exclusives have.
I think it may likely end up being the second most successful PlayStation game of all, behind Spider-Man. Perhaps even the top dog if there's a TLOU2 Remaster that comes with Factions multiplayer or whatever.
Contrary to the implication by some here, I thought the game was still charting in EU territories?
Keep in mind most of the 7m or whatever sales it likely has thus far are going to be full MSRP (hence higher in revenue and profit), once it hits consistent sales or lower pricing, it's going to pop back in the charts intermittently, much like other Sony exclusives have.
I think it may likely end up being the second most successful PlayStation game of all, behind Spider-Man. Perhaps even the top dog if there's a TLOU2 Remaster that comes with Factions multiplayer or whatever.
but all you really compared tlou2 and spider-man with is the number of times they showed up in the npds
that doesnt really tell us anything except that spider-man sells consistently, likely because of its brand (being a good game also helps)
Premise of this thread seems kind of poorly researched.
I think these gifs of existing clips come off as really creepy for some reason.
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Yeah we have a really incomplete picture. Just some scraps to go off of. I wish game sales were released like box office numbers. I made the thread because the info we do have potentially pointed at poor legs. Clearly Era does not in fact think this points to the game underperforming.
Yeah sorry but it doesn't seem like you actually want to have an honest discussion about this. From what we know it sold very well, hasn't yet been discounted or released, and has 7 years to catch up to it's predecessor.
Personally I haven't even played it yet because I'm waiting for word on a PS5 version.
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What points to me not wanting to have an honest discussion? And for like the millionth time in this thread I wasn't expecting it to match the lifetime sales of TLOU1 by this point. That would be absurd.
It wouldnt be out of the question that some people expect a PS5 remaster. But also the content skewered even more mature and lacked the endearing part of a father figure taking care of his adopted daughter angle which means its alot more of a downer than people want. Especially in the year 2020
Because people have pointed out that it's the 3rd highest revenue generating game in Sony's history at launch, it's around 7m after 4 months.
It hasn't underperformed. And we can't really say how it will end up doing. You aren't really acknowledging these points.
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Yeah. We have to rely on Sony to release sales figures and they count those. Kinda like Netflix saying 50 million people watched one of their shows. Not technically wrong, but they like to use a methodology that will make their numbers look as strong as possible.
Yeah I read that point made over and over and its odd how that still hasn't sufficed to show that it did not in fact underperform.
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No those points are legit. It's impressive for sure. Revenue doesn't equal profit however. And we're not sure where they wanted it to end up at. Let's say it sells 5 million below Spider-Man or a couple mil below GoW lifetime sales. Is that a success in Sony's eyes? Maybe. Who knows? We don't know the game budget or marketing budget but both were likely high.
People are saying with certainty that it did not underperform but we can't say that with certainly at this point with the info we have. It's all conjecture.
As pointed out by others it's likely past 7M before major discounts. So no, it did not under perform. It did great. That's literally more than $400 million in revenue.
For real. It made boatloads of money, financially outperforming the first game. By the only metric that matters (money), it hasn't underperformed. Weird thread based on seemingly the main criteria for success being beating Spider-Man, the best selling PS game of all time, otherwise it underperformed.
I dont think it has underperformed. It sold very well at launch.
Its legs werent the best though, it doesnt seems to have the same longevity as the first game.
Edit: if the 7 million figure is to be believed, then wow it really dropped off.
4 million in the first weekend alone, than only 3 million in an entire 4 months.
Its legs werent the best though, it doesnt seems to have the same longevity as the first game.
Edit: if the 7 million figure is to be believed, then wow it really dropped off.
4 million in the first weekend alone, than only 3 million in an entire 4 months.
Why is op ignoring this post. It seems to have done great even tough it's banned in mea region
We've had a person who actually has info on this subject speak up in this very thread and stated the performance has been excellent. That's as close as you're getting until Sony releases more official figures.
The game has done great and has a lot of prospects to extend its legs as time goes on, and that's on top of it just being an amazing game that's already done very well.
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I quoted it and responded earlier in the thread. I believe it, but it's interesting that it it has fallen totally from PSN digital charts and NPD's. Points to us armchair analysts having an incomplete picture. Or very strong early sales carries it enough and it can sort of coast now.
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Totally. Just curious about it falling off of the NPDs and digital charts. There totally could be a valid explanation for that which doesn't contradict strong sales, but it's interesting to try to piece it all together as an armchair analyst.
Yeah, its not having good legs in the USA, going by NPD, but its still selling well in the Europe.
It will end up selling 12-15 million, but i dont think it will surpass the first game in sales.
There are a lot of videos of channels who love to shit on this game every week, some people really hate this game lol.
It will end up selling 12-15 million, but i dont think it will surpass the first game in sales.
There are a lot of videos of channels who love to shit on this game every week, some people really hate this game lol.