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Did Pokemon Gen1 have Dual Types?
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In gen I you can:
Toxic + Leech Seed + Wrap
They all use the same damage counter. Leech Seed will stack all that passive damage and heal you back.
Also Rock types were useful because less stuff got non-stab moves. The ones who did had low Special stats so using Blizzard and co was more a tech than a main move.
I honestly love it.
Who doesn't want to crit the whole game using Persian + Slash. Pls
Toxic + Leech Seed + Wrap
They all use the same damage counter. Leech Seed will stack all that passive damage and heal you back.
Also Rock types were useful because less stuff got non-stab moves. The ones who did had low Special stats so using Blizzard and co was more a tech than a main move.
I honestly love it.
Who doesn't want to crit the whole game using Persian + Slash. Pls
Yes, and I remember that people were complaining how charizard had 2 types and neither were dragon.
When I said I wanted to see something other than next-gen console discussion this was exactly what I had in mind.
As a matter of fact, psychic were inmune to ghost type moves in Gen I iirc.
You can see that these Pokemon websites don't change older generations' dex pages to reflect changes in later generations. See Smogon or Serebii's gen 1 entries for Jigglypuff. They have them as Normal type and not Normal/Fairy, there's no gender ratio or abilities, special attack/defense are the same, no moves from later gens, etc.
I see we're at the point of these threads where people just start eagerly sharing their gen 1 glitch trivia.
I see we're at the point of these threads where people just start eagerly sharing their gen 1 glitch trivia.
One thing that should be acknowledged more often, is that gen 1 wasn't working within the constraints of an established type system. It didn't necessarily use types in the same way that later games do.
Take Charizard, for example. You'd look at it, and look at the list of types in the game, and wonder why it isn't a Dragon type. The answer is probably because the developers were making up the type list as they went along. "Dragon" is a fairly unorthodox type, which resists all four basic elements (fire/water/grass/electric) and is weak to itself. It only exists on one evolutionary line, and is hard to find unless you have some idea of where to look, and only one trainer uses it against you (and that trainer is the last of the Elite Four). I suspect Dragon was a late addition to the game, for the sole purpose of being a "boss type".
There's also Ghost. Similarly to Dragon, it only exists on the Gengar line. And it has the property of being completely immune to normal attacks.
Gen 1 was perfectly willing to invent whole new types just to use them one time. That leads to some creative decisions that might seem out of place today.
Take Charizard, for example. You'd look at it, and look at the list of types in the game, and wonder why it isn't a Dragon type. The answer is probably because the developers were making up the type list as they went along. "Dragon" is a fairly unorthodox type, which resists all four basic elements (fire/water/grass/electric) and is weak to itself. It only exists on one evolutionary line, and is hard to find unless you have some idea of where to look, and only one trainer uses it against you (and that trainer is the last of the Elite Four). I suspect Dragon was a late addition to the game, for the sole purpose of being a "boss type".
There's also Ghost. Similarly to Dragon, it only exists on the Gengar line. And it has the property of being completely immune to normal attacks.
Gen 1 was perfectly willing to invent whole new types just to use them one time. That leads to some creative decisions that might seem out of place today.
Grass-Posion
Bug-Poison
Bug-Flying
Rock-Ground
Feels like most early game Pokémon were dual type, honestly.
Bug-Poison
Bug-Flying
Rock-Ground
Feels like most early game Pokémon were dual type, honestly.
God, I had an argument with someone about this a few years ago, in real life. He was furiously adamant that dual types didn't exist until Gen 2. I asked him what typing Aerodactyl was. I didn't realise this was a more commonly-thought notion.
(He eventually conceded only because he couldn't find proof of it after a hushed half an hour of internet searching)
(He eventually conceded only because he couldn't find proof of it after a hushed half an hour of internet searching)
This was the first time I got hit by the Mandela Effect a few years ago
I have vivid memories of being blown away by Pokemon having two types now in Gen 2 as a kid and my friends and I saying "Wow, what if next time they had THREE types and you could have TRIPLE super effective attacks!?" Then a couple of years back when I booted up my old games to play Pokemon Stadium again I saw they had dual types and it was like my whole life had been a lie
I have vivid memories of being blown away by Pokemon having two types now in Gen 2 as a kid and my friends and I saying "Wow, what if next time they had THREE types and you could have TRIPLE super effective attacks!?" Then a couple of years back when I booted up my old games to play Pokemon Stadium again I saw they had dual types and it was like my whole life had been a lie
Obviously I was just mistaken as a kid and probably got mixed up between "Two new types" and "Pokemon have two types now"
It's the first gen so the rules were fast and free, but typings since then have only existed to address major balancing issues (Dark and Steel to combat
If a Typing eventually becomes overpowered down the line they'll make a new Typing that's immune to it or something.
There definitely were dual types—I remember because of the only Ghost Pokémon were also all Poison. though I honestly forgot Bulbasaur was grass/poison
I also can't remember for certain: could Charizard not learn Fly in Red & Blue, but could in Yellow? For some reason I that's what I remember.
I also can't remember for certain: could Charizard not learn Fly in Red & Blue, but could in Yellow? For some reason I that's what I remember.
Exactly. Adding a new type is considered a drastic action now. It's rarely done, and carefully considered. Imagine if it wasn't like that. The developers could have chosen a very different path, and added new types left and right, whenever they felt like it. Got a cool idea for a new species? Let's make a unique type for it, why not. That's how things were done in the original games, after all.
I kinda want to see that universe.
Dual Types did not exist. Articuno and Zapdos were Ice and Electric, but Moltres was pure Flying type (but with a fire-based moveset).
Surprised y'all didn't know this. Also, while they were called the Elite Four, you actually only fought two of them. Nobody really commented on why. Gen One was weird: they really hadn't quite worked out all the kinks in the formula yet. Fortunately fans have restored missing content and most ROMs you'll find online contain the updated versions, with two extra members of the Elite Four, support for Dual Types, one uniform currency for the entire region, etc.
Surprised y'all didn't know this. Also, while they were called the Elite Four, you actually only fought two of them. Nobody really commented on why. Gen One was weird: they really hadn't quite worked out all the kinks in the formula yet. Fortunately fans have restored missing content and most ROMs you'll find online contain the updated versions, with two extra members of the Elite Four, support for Dual Types, one uniform currency for the entire region, etc.
There were probably more dual types in Gen 1 than single types. Most flying types are normal/flying, most rock types were rock/ground, there weren't any pure ice types IIRC, the only Ghost Pokemon were part Poison, there were Pokemon that evolved into being part Flying, and so forth.
Defo. I've always been salty about Bug and Ghost types are super effective against psychic! But then most bugs are dual type poison(especially since Beedrills pin missile is the only real bug move to use iirc) and the only ghosts in the game are dualed with poison and there are barely any damaging ghost moves to use.
Made the type advantage fairly useless tbh.
Made the type advantage fairly useless tbh.
It can look like dual types weren't there at times, because the effectiveness text didn't work properly on dual type Pokémon, but they were always there.
how can people think dual types didn't exist in gen 1??
the first goddamn pokemon in the game is dual typed
the first goddamn pokemon in the game is dual typed
Gen 6 introduced a dual type move. I do wonder if they mess with that
I am surprised GameFreak never denoted 4x effectiveness in their games via text, something like mega effective or barely effective for 4x defensive typings.
How so? Super effectiveness would display on 2x and 4x weaknesses.
I am surprised GameFreak never denoted 4x effectiveness in their games via text, something like mega effective or barely effective for 4x defensive typings.
we'd have a sound type then
praise Iwata (and the other team members at HAL)
Effectiveness checks for both types (so Bulbasaur would be neutral do Dig, as intended), but the text checks only for the last type that has a non neutral matchup AFAIK (so the text would actually incorrectly show as super effective in the above example).
It's pretty crazy how many Pokemon "fans" are in this thread and don't even know this
Tornadus-T, Rookidee and Corvisquire carry on the legacy of pure Bird type
Literally the VERY FIRST Pokemon in the Pokedex is.
also bulbasaur is playing a harmonica in gen 1
It's what gave him a good advantage early on.