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In my eyes this is largely also about The Complicationist and PBG who are very much games relevant.
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Did people forget Jon Tron is a White Nationalist or did he change and apologize The Completionist, PBG, NakeyJakey?
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In my eyes this is largely also about The Complicationist and PBG who are very much games relevant.
Wait, celebrity cameos? From whom? Ben Shapiro?
Seriously I don't watch his garbage so I'm curious who in the fuck would appear in a white supremacist video.
His views had been known about for years, though, and it's not like a wedding is something you can't turn down. There would have been an invitation, travel involved, potentially even things like getting a suit. If you know someone's views are abhorrant and you still go through all that effort to celebrate a moment in their life, that's more than a little suspicious. Sure, decent people can be dragged along to terrible family members' weddings and the like thanks to social pressure, but you can't be "forced" into going to an acquaintances' wedding.
Also worth noting that the PBG and Jakey posts in the OP appear to come from their public social media feeds, too. Not exactly digging stuff up if they were highlighting it themselves.
I don't think anyone is arguing we should put these people under closer scrutiny than Jon, but it makes sense to want an explanation as to why they aren't distancing themselves from him or admonishing his views directly.
They haven't associated themselves with him for years. And the previous association was because they were part of the content group NormalBoots for years, which JonTron left after his whole thing.
Glad I stopped supporting everything Normal Boots back when when that dickhead said what he did. Jared was scum from a while ago, but it sucks to see PBG and Jirard supporting that asshole. Thought they were "some of the good ones".
I should just stop giving these youtubers/influencers the benefit of the doubt.
I should just stop giving these youtubers/influencers the benefit of the doubt.
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People have been saying Jon Tons wedding was October of last year.
Oh, so that's Jon Tron, huh? There are some faces that I have seen pop up here or GAF back in the day, but I never bothered to check their names.
Well, guess I can continue ignoring him, then...
Well, guess I can continue ignoring him, then...
Too bad Destiny really went off the deep end. Glad he v exposed JonTron though. I've had his changed ignored for awhile now.
Makes me sad to hear about nakeyjakey. I watch the Gus Johnson and Eddy Burback podcast and both of them seem like really nice dudes, but they are good friends with jakey.
Makes me sad to hear about nakeyjakey. I watch the Gus Johnson and Eddy Burback podcast and both of them seem like really nice dudes, but they are good friends with jakey.
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Yeah JonTron is trash.
But I can't hate on people who still associate with him, because honestly some of my IRL friends have some dumb ass opinions too. It sucks, but sometimes the world is more gray than you'd like.
As long as the completionist and jakey aren't being racist or defending JonTron, then I'll still watch them.
But I can't hate on people who still associate with him, because honestly some of my IRL friends have some dumb ass opinions too. It sucks, but sometimes the world is more gray than you'd like.
As long as the completionist and jakey aren't being racist or defending JonTron, then I'll still watch them.
They look like public images from Twitter/Instagram feeds to me.
And if that's your biggest take-away from all of this, it says a lot about you.
Who cares what the source of the images is, if it shows that they are still associating with someone known to be a white supremacist.
If it came from a private account, would it matter any less?
Y'know, except for the wedding they were at eight months ago.
They may not have collaborated with him in their public content, but they clearly haven't disassociated themselves. None of us have any idea what these people are like off-camera, in private.
I try my best not to cuss, but fuck this tone-deaf little assclown.
Amazingly, Ethan isn't sitting on the fence with this one. He's been arguing with his fans on Twitter for the last day but to little avail.
Boogie on the other hand, his twitter feed is quite something. He made a "not all cops" tweet a few days ago and after being lit up in the comments he deleted it and apologised and is now going in harder on the cops are bad angle. He really has no backbone whatsoever.
But why continue to be friends with a racist who hasn't changed or amended their hateful beliefs? Does JonTron have blackmail on NakeyJakey so he's forced to stay friends? Or did he make the choice as an adult to continue being friends because it doesn't affect his privilege? It makes you complicit, being silent about it. Maybe NakeyJakey makes excuses for his bigotry. They don't even live near each other! Just unfriend, bro, if you're genuine about caring for black lives.
Congrats on finding a popular MLK quote online? Except, had you actually read Stride Toward Freedom, you'd realize that MLK was arguing the exact opposite of your point. Yes, MLK was arguing that African Americans prioritizing their safety over confronting oppression was merely endorsing said oppression. But the rest of MLK's argument after your quote shows his true meaning. MLK argued that man must be his fellow man's keeper. That the solution wasn't cooperation or violence, but to win the understanding of & to convert his opponent. While going after JonTron & his horrible views is completely fine, chastising unrelated individuals for attending a wedding that JonTron may have been at is completely different. Isolation of the oppressor or attacking those who are unrelated are a complete antithesis to what MLK was arguing in the quote you posted. If you really want to honor King's legacy, you'd forgive those who associate with him and continue keeping the focus on the real opponent: JonTron.
Sorry, if this comes off as more aggressive than I intended. It's just that with everything happening in America right now, I'm slightly on edge about people misquoting MLK. My apologies if so.
GR are shitty even regardless of their association with jakey. Their defense against being PewDiePie fans was "we're not fans but so what if we are? He has 100m fans"
A huge portion of gamers, at best don't care, or at worst agree with what people like JonTron say. Not something I like thinking about as it's depressing as hell but there it is.
Should be highlighted, because internet memes are a valuable currency in the online gaming space and at his height JonTron was damn well omnipresent for how well-received and meme-y his shit was. Even if he's technically doing well now he's clearly lost that foothold in part to him just not doing gaming stuff anymore.
Yeah you're right
But why continue to be friends with a racist who hasn't changed or amended their hateful beliefs? Does JonTron have blackmail on NakeyJakey so he's forced to stay friends? Or did he make the choice as an adult to continue being friends because it doesn't affect his privilege? It makes you complicit, being silent about it. Maybe NakeyJakey makes excuses for his bigotry. They don't even live near each other! Just unfriend, bro, if you're genuine about caring for black lives.
I'm still, for some reason, surprised at how motherfuckers need their arm twisted into not associate with racist (or just bigoted) friends or family.
You just reminded me that Jon as a whole gained a net positive of subscribers. Those of us who unsubscribed were outweighed by those happy someone said something racist so bravely that they subscribed to him.
jontron is living proof cancel culture is not a thing, at worst your fanbase loses a few people and in return you gain popularity with a specific crowd.
Lmao I never liked Jontron, and never seen this before thanks for sharing. What a dumbass. I'm torn between laughing and just being depressed.
Never knew who he was and never cared for him, but I'll never forget the David Duke like comments he made. fuck him
I remember disliking him and I remember him saying racist things, but re-watching this was great to refresh why it's sad to see people try to forget this.
A wedding he may have been at? We're talking about Jon's wedding, right?
They're not "unrelated" when they blatantly hugging a white supremacist and acting like there's nothing wrong. Where is the evidence that they're doing ANYTHING to change JonTron's views? If they are it's clear it's done jack shit. The active harm of that silent endorsement those pictures show is not innocent.
I never liked that Dunkey guy. I heard he was problematic
I didn't forget.
People still claim "he apologized" but his apology was him literally doubling down on his comments.
He would later write panels for Breitbart and after the Destiny interview exposed his neo-nazi belief system, he started letting loose on Twitter about his other alt-right views.
There are still videos on YouTube that try to analyze the moment that Arin and Jon stopped talking or why neither of them have acknowledged "what happened". Why Arin cut him off long before that interview after briefly attempting to rekindle their friendship and agreeing to appear in a Star Wars video for him.
I can read between the lines. I know the internet hates "new woke Arin" but considering all of Arin's comments on his old work, his apologies and him gently debating with GG fans to explain why some of his old jokes are not ok, it's evident.
And if that's not enough, look at the Reddit threads about GG Live events when audience members ask him if he'll ever talk to Jon again. Or you know, Danny's comments - which are brief but I'm pretty sure he once said "nope, dude is super racist!"
Fuck all the Jontron apologists.
Dude is the exact same person and his tweet today proves it.
Yup. Everytime someone tries to downplay what he said as "clumsy", "just a joke" or "not that bad" I link them to the interview and tell them to listen to it again.
It is that bad. And he's not joking. These are his beliefs.
People still claim "he apologized" but his apology was him literally doubling down on his comments.
He would later write panels for Breitbart and after the Destiny interview exposed his neo-nazi belief system, he started letting loose on Twitter about his other alt-right views.
There are still videos on YouTube that try to analyze the moment that Arin and Jon stopped talking or why neither of them have acknowledged "what happened". Why Arin cut him off long before that interview after briefly attempting to rekindle their friendship and agreeing to appear in a Star Wars video for him.
I can read between the lines. I know the internet hates "new woke Arin" but considering all of Arin's comments on his old work, his apologies and him gently debating with GG fans to explain why some of his old jokes are not ok, it's evident.
And if that's not enough, look at the Reddit threads about GG Live events when audience members ask him if he'll ever talk to Jon again. Or you know, Danny's comments - which are brief but I'm pretty sure he once said "nope, dude is super racist!"
Fuck all the Jontron apologists.
Dude is the exact same person and his tweet today proves it.
Yup. Everytime someone tries to downplay what he said as "clumsy", "just a joke" or "not that bad" I link them to the interview and tell them to listen to it again.
It is that bad. And he's not joking. These are his beliefs.
If we're thinking of the same game grumps live video, they asked them whether Jon would ever return as a guest star to which they said due to recent findings, that ain't happening ever to which the crowd started clapping. So most folks by now have moved on and their audience remaining by now who is going to these live events are among the ones arin wants to keep anyways.
That's great. That's not the one I read about.
The one I read has Arin flatly saying that he had no plans to talk to him again and Danny kinda cringed and made a snarky comment that alluding to Jon being a racist.
Could have been a different interpretation of the same event but it seems too different. Either way, good.
It's also possible that Arin stopped talking to Jon for different reasons since they ended their friendship long before the Destiny thing (there are some ridiculously gossipy YouTube videos that I used to be recommended, one saying that Jon was cruel to Arin's wife and didn't like her being allowed to post videos to the channel). Who knows. I just hope they never relax their position on him.
This is the one I was thinking of. Seemed to have happened early on since they said "due to recent things he said"
I understand and appreciate your sympathetic viewpoint, and some of my friends have poor opinions too. But if any of them actually thought that black people would dilute the "gene pool" and shared JonTron's views on immigration and such, I would immediately disown them as friends. That's too much of a fundamental world view that I would totally lose respect for that person. I wouldn't be able to relate to them on a real level ever again.
He was never funny or entertaining in the first place. He is a racist piece of shit and has a huge gamer fan base. That sounds about right.
Jesus....its like logic, facts, compassion and empathy mean nothing to these types of people...it is so damn scary.
People still love JonTron for the same reasons people still love 6ix9ine, they simply don't care about the bad they have done, because it does not directly affect them. They just want to be entertained, and don't give a shit about the person behind it. The whole "separate art from artist" bullshit.
As for other Youtubers, a lot of them publicly stopped associating with him likely for business reasons, but kept seeing him as a friend because it's easier to talk big game about not wanting to deal with intolerance than it is to actually cut people out of your life.
Egoraptor specifically though, he seems to have a fair bit of regret for his earlier years and the kind of culture he helped contribute to, I would imagine giving JonTron a platform included. I'd be surprised to see if he was still interacting with him.
As for other Youtubers, a lot of them publicly stopped associating with him likely for business reasons, but kept seeing him as a friend because it's easier to talk big game about not wanting to deal with intolerance than it is to actually cut people out of your life.
Egoraptor specifically though, he seems to have a fair bit of regret for his earlier years and the kind of culture he helped contribute to, I would imagine giving JonTron a platform included. I'd be surprised to see if he was still interacting with him.