Want to take the time to give a shot out to manga artist Keisuki Itagaki(Grappler Baki) who has the superpower of being able to draw black people and their facial features without being a racist caricature.
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Did Onepunch-Man seriously just do Blackface!? (Spoilers)
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Want to take the time to give a shot out to manga artist Keisuki Itagaki(Grappler Baki) who has the superpower of being able to draw black people and their facial features without being a racist caricature.
What the hell is going on with the bans in this threads? One month bans for discussing the matter? Okay, some people don't seem to understand what black facing is about. In Germany this issue is rarely being discussed and I'm pretty sure many of my friends don't know anything about that issue at all. I can omly imagine that members located in the US sensitized to black facing. How about a mod intervention explaining the problem with those post? These actions feel super-extreme and not helpful at all to a proper discussion culture.
This.
I mean, I get anime fans excusing this, anime fans are trash that think people don't have access to Google or something. But black anime fans need to do better.
Especially better than this series. We need to start making our own, because Japan by in large does not give a shit about any of us.
Thank the mods for finally punishing Europeans that plead ignorance. They are the most annoying in these threads.
Germans know exactly what blackface is:
10 years ago Walraff was criticised because for his documentary about "black people in Germany" he literally did a blackface.
Sonneborn was criticised for his blackface.
And in 2014 "blackfacing" became the "english word of 2014" in Germany.
Also it has been in the (German) news since a few years regarding Zwarte Piet and whether to paint a childrens face black for the three wise men.
I'm really tired of the Europeans aren't racist because they don't know about blackface schtick. If I, a black American can know and be sensitive about various other countries cultures and not do things like dress up like a samurai and dance around or wear a WW2 German Army uniform, you guys can know that painting your face brown isn't smartGermans know exactly what blackface is:
10 years ago Walraff was criticised because for his documentary about "black people in Germany" he literally did a blackface.
Sonneborn was criticised for his blackface.
And in 2014 "blackfacing" became the "english word of 2014" in Germany.
Also it has been in the (German) news since a few years regarding Zwarte Piet and whether to paint a childrens face black for the three wise men.
I didn't claim that all Germans haven't heart about blackface, I claimed that many here do not understand why it is a problem. Each time blackfacing happens we a have a discussion whether it is a problem at all. And yes, I know plenty of people who haven't heard about blackface at all. It is a topic that is simply not present at all times here.
Anyway stating "it is blackface!"(which I don't see as a simply given looking at the OP and the further replies) by banning people who are discussing the matter is not helping the cause at all. Just look at the definition used at the English Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface
Plenty of room to argue. I guess it would be much easier to agree on an answer to the question whether if the events mentioned in the OP can be considered racist.
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Frankly, they could start with googling the issue. There isn't much to discuss outside of "don't".
If everytime the problems with blackface are brought up, they wave it away as a non-issue and choose to remain ignorant, that's on them.
I never noticed how big Barrett was in that image, specifically his feet. Tifa could fit inside of his friggin boot like Mario in a Kuribo Shoe. Definitely a trope I'm going to notice a lot more from now on...
Remind me Apex Legends Streamer Thread from Last Years. Some Era People here don't know/heard/understand about this.
Heck, I just learn about this 4-3 years ago on the old site.
What do you mean we "need to do better"? Black anime fans can decide what's beyond the pale for them on an individual basis just like anyone else.
If you're interested in manga by black people you should check out Saturday AM. Their who concept is essentially being a diverse Shonen Jump.
User Banned (Permanent): Rationalising bigotry. History of tone policing in threads concerning bigotry.
1) Read my further replies. I think one can easily argue that the (stupid) explanation brought up in OPM might not even be blackface judging by common blackface definitions.
2) It's not just about ignorance. While there might be a broad consensus in the US about blackface there is none in Europe. There are many reasons for that and I feel that the issue is worth discussing. Just slapping anyone across the face daring to discuss blackface won't bring us anywhere.
This manga is crazy as fuck but god damn, it arguably has the best representation of any manga I've ever read. Heck wasn't Obama in it as well ?
Want to take the time to give a shot out to manga artist Keisuki Itagaki(Grappler Baki) who has the superpower of being able to draw black people and their facial features without being a racist caricature.
Yup he is in there. Every new president has to swear a pact of non aggression with Yujiro.
Hot damn, completely forgot how glorious this manga was.Yeah.
It's blackface, and I hoped it was changed for the Murata version.
Sadly it looks like they chose to keep it that way.
Sadly it looks like they chose to keep it that way.
Nah, the explanations have been made throughout this thread. There are always people like you that will excuse any depictions of racism in any thread like this, ignoring everything else so you can make those excuses. Explanations are meaningless.
Sorry, but I fail to see that all those bans were applied to "concern trolls".
Ignoring your stupid #1... I was looking at this and trying to imagine valid reasons but this is actually ridiculous. Why does this happen in every Blackface thread? Lol.
*sigh* It is racist. I never claimed that the depiction wasn't. Racism has many faces. I just don't see how this fits the blackface definition.
Because this forum isn't exclusive to residents of the US and hosts an international community?
Okay, so? "Banned for excusing racism." Same thing, there. It's semantics at that point.
This example is from Japan. That doesn't excuse it.
You know what forum you're on and you should know this line of questioning will not go well for you.
Sure, and everytime at least one member of that international community performs the same pattern of asking questions, getting answers, and then being dismissive.
Never read Terraformers so I looked up what was racist about it, and good lord...it's like Stormfront created a manga.
EVERY. SINGLE. DAMN. TIME.
We have had "discussions" on this topic every few months, both here and at the old place. It is TIRING.
I nor any person who has had to constantly explain why my skin tone is not a costume, nor why these depictions are all based on horrible and harmful stereotypes (based in the minstrelsy of the early 19th century, which then were picked up and used in other countries besides the US) and need to end, should have to treat you with kids gloves and explain it every single time. It might as well be a full-time job.
You need to look this up on your own. If you see a thread like this one, and don't understand it, there is Google/Bing/Yahoo, etc. We shouldn't have to explain it to you like a child every single time. And once you have learned about it, if you are still adamant and ignorant to why it's offensive, then I can't help you. That's on you.
We clearly tend to rep characters that aren't black without notice from the content creators who haven't made it clear the ethnicity of these characters in the first place.
Or we choose characters that clearly aren't black to rep, like say Piccolo.
With how many black people have propped up DBZ, you would think they would make like one black character of moderate importance at this point, but they don't.
They don't because these creators, by in large, clearly give no fucks about their fanbase outside of Japan. So I feel you have to treat their content under that lens and with that expectation.
So that is why I mean we have to do better. We prop up people who don't deserve our money or time.
I mean enjoy what you enjoy, everything doesn't have to have representation, but guys like this, the terraformer guy, and the writer who made his like only black character into a demonic chicken definitely should not be getting anything from us.
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Honestly while reading the manga in the past years I always thought his skin tone was a reference to the darker tone of high carbon steel alloys (with the character's name leading into that).
I never thought about him neither being tanned nor black, rather figuring he had dark metallic appearance - this is what I always extrapolated from the b/w drawings. Never watched the anime version and as I'm seeing in the pictures now, certainly this opens me to a new perspective. The anime version is pretty blatant, but I wonder if it's the anime studio's fault for this, since I still think my theory makes sense for the manga version
I never thought about him neither being tanned nor black, rather figuring he had dark metallic appearance - this is what I always extrapolated from the b/w drawings. Never watched the anime version and as I'm seeing in the pictures now, certainly this opens me to a new perspective. The anime version is pretty blatant, but I wonder if it's the anime studio's fault for this, since I still think my theory makes sense for the manga version
2020, people still using every imaginable mental gymnastic to justify blackface. The here in Europe one is particularly trash.
As a black man living in Europe it's so frustrating to read over and over and over again how Europe supposedly has no idea about the different ways racism can exist, and in some cases what racism itself is.
When reading this I always know that it's either:
a ) Some American who has such an US-centric view of the world that the person can't even imagine that the discosussions about social issues may also exist overseas or
b) a racist piece of shit that ran out of options to excuse the discussed piece of racism and thus pretends to be the person from example a.
Oh yeah, this applies to misogyny and lgbt+phobia as well, but I see more often on relation to racial discussions.
Yeah there shouldn't be any confusion or defense of this. It's just fucked. Doesn't really matter if they are this ignorant or unaware of the issue or are doing this because of prior backlash over Darkshine's depiction being seen as a racist caricature and thinking making him non-black fixes that(even intending it the whole time). It's just bad in so many ways.
Japan not knowing much about blackface might have been an excuse in past decades - cultural homogeneity, etc. - but in the modern world, this is much less true.
This is from a couple of years ago, it got global attention: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/world/asia/japan-comedian-blackface.html
The comedians involved - from the comedy duo Downtown - were really embarrassed about what they did. I remember my wife watching one of their variety shows after this controversy, and one of the members said that they felt ashamed about their ignorance about this issue and that they made it look like Japan was a cultural backwater that was disconnected from the rest of the world's history. It got tons of attention in Japan itself and was definitely a big talking point on the news. People know about this now. Whether they care or not is another question, of course.
This is from a couple of years ago, it got global attention: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/world/asia/japan-comedian-blackface.html
The comedians involved - from the comedy duo Downtown - were really embarrassed about what they did. I remember my wife watching one of their variety shows after this controversy, and one of the members said that they felt ashamed about their ignorance about this issue and that they made it look like Japan was a cultural backwater that was disconnected from the rest of the world's history. It got tons of attention in Japan itself and was definitely a big talking point on the news. People know about this now. Whether they care or not is another question, of course.
If someone is making content I want to see they are worth my money and/or time. I consider origin and context, but the presence of absense of black people is rarely going to be the determining factor to if I decide to partake in some form of media. That's a decision everyone gets to make on their own.
Yeah, that ain't tanning solution.are we sure this is a tan and he didnt actually just turn black
cuz that dont look like a tan
because he started out not black? Not sure which methods or chemicals it needs to be to be considered "true blackface" but I'm gonna go with "any"
Get the fuck outta here with this bullshit
I'm from Europe and I know its wrong. Your ignorance is disingenuous.
I was just watching the 2010 batsu game and a different comedian was in blackface as Eddy Murphy on the bus ride. So this happened in 2010 and 2018.
Then why the lips when pretty much everyone else has a line for a mouth?
ugh, such a stain on an otherwise great manga :/
really sucked when i got to that part