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Oct 27, 2017
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They really wanna keep that article up, huh? You'd think it won't be worth it at this point. Guess they don't want to upset the writer. Ridiculous.
 

Zips

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Readers are understandably uncomfortable about these kinds of depictions of characters who are often depicted as or thought of as teenagers.

It's because of the pearl clutching readers that we had to remove the images here!

Instead of the fact that, you know, this kind of shit is actually illegal in many countries. I cannot even roll my eyes hard enough. This continues to be fucking disgusting.

Currently, countries that have made it illegal to possess (as well as create and distribute) sexual images of fictional characters who are described as or appear to be under eighteen years old include Australia, Canada, the Philippines, South Africa, South Korea, and the United Kingdom
via Wikipedia
 

Lausebub

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Pictures aside, I don't even understand the point of the article. Sounds like she just wanted to watch some animated porn and then explain in detail what each scene was about. Like wtf?
This. I just don't get what the article was supposed to tell me. The budget for animated porn should be higher?
 

spam musubi

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Pictures aside, I don't even understand the point of the article. Sounds like she just wanted to watch some animated porn and then explain in detail what each scene was about. Like wtf?

Clearly the article was intended as shock value, but they pushed too far. Still gets them clicks though, I guess.

I like Kotaku these days, Schreier and Tim Rogers are great and their (kotaku's) reviews are good, but every once in a while they fuck up so bad that I'm left wondering how it could've happened.
 

Ryce

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I can't believe the article is still up after two bungled apologies.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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Pictures aside, I don't even understand the point of the article. Sounds like she just wanted to watch some animated porn and then explain in detail what each scene was about. Like wtf?
She has been doing pieces on the crossover between porn and games, this is just the latest one. I mean as far as I can tell the article is done with some refrain on the material she is watching; like she is fascinated by something disgusting and ridiculous. Not sure why though? That could have been handle a lot better.

In fairness that may have been covered in the other articles which I have not read.
 

Dinoegg_96

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Nov 26, 2017
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I just read a random fragment and she was talking about Goyle fucking Hermione and it not making sense because Goyle couldn't do that because he doesn't have the password for Gryffindor's common room.

The actual fuck?!
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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you be quiet

you put us on the FBI pervert list
Honestly, I'm sorry that I linked that shit without thinking. It was NSFL, and I feel bad knowing that someone might have been triggered by the footage.

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Tatsu91

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They ARE teenagers. And one of them was shown being RAPED.

What the hell kind of attempt at downplaying is this!?
Seriously you cannot downplay it if they are depicted as teenagers they are teenagers irrelevant to how they look Misty etc. are all kids teens it is CP and it is gross.
 

NaDannMaGoGo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Author and editor should be fired, honestly.

Looking at the past articles and "quality" of writing we also don't need to delude ourselves that this was a mere accident.

I have very little respect for people (and websites) who perpetuate that "meh it's drawn, so age and disturbing scenarios don't matter one bit" notion that's way too widespread already.
 

Naga

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Did the writer apologize or anything? What a weird choice to write that up and post those pictures.
The writer went private on twitter.
It's the editor's responsibility at this point and he posted a new excuse (which still doesn't apologize about the underage aspect). I doubt they'll do more than that at this point, but it'd be better to remove entirely the article, not pay it, and post an excuse separately.
 

Noodle

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Aug 22, 2018
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You think people go to prison because they googled an anime character and Google Images pulls up some hentai?

Like yeah, maybe if you downloaded the pictures posted in this article in the UK you would have a problem.

Reading a Kotaku article is not the same as downloading the images onto your computer.

Actually it is.

The term 'making' could include:
  • opening an attachment to an email containing an image
  • downloading an image from a website onto a computer screen
  • storing an image in a directory on a computer
  • accessing a website in which images appeared by way of an automatic "pop up" mechanism

Your computer caching something counting as making a stand-alone copy is a fundamental part of law regarding all digital aspects. It's what gave rise to stuff like shrink-wrap licenses.
 

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This. I just don't get what the article was supposed to tell me. The budget for animated porn should be higher?
The article was telling you that a lot of rule 34/fandom porn is fucked up and gross. They could've done that without posting the actual content in question (and absolutely should have) but it's worth discussing.
Actually it is.


Your computer caching something counting as making a stand-alone copy is a fundamental part of law regarding all digital aspects. It's what gave rise to stuff like shrink-wrap licenses.
No one is going to jail for clicking on this Kotaku article.
 

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It's because they're fictional. That's always what it comes down to. They're not 10 years old or 1000 years old in their mind because they're not real, they're simply drawings.
Drawings of underage people. If you were to draw a rudimentary stick man fucking a kid and then showed that to a cop you'd be locked up faster than shit
 

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What the fuck. Corporate needs to sort that shit out ASAP. Even though this is by far the worst they have done it's not unusual for them, from recommending high questionable content to writers who are grown ass men referring to teenage characters as that wifey sounding word.

Completely undermines a lot of their writings. Gawker may be a digital equivalent of a tabloid but this sort of content is way past the line.
 
Feb 24, 2018
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They really wanna keep that article up, huh? You'd think it won't be worth it at this point. Guess they don't want to upset the writer. Ridiculous.
They might not be able to, under Gawker, they weren't allowed to delete an article for any reason which became a big problem for sister site io9 when it turned out an author was plagiarising their articles. Wonder if the same policy is still in affect?

Still though WTF Kotaku?! Like the sites been juvenile with sex before, the embarrassing Witcher 3 artcles and the amount of those made me roll my eyes, but this is a totally different level, I know they've said their lacks on editorializing their authors but seriously, NOTHING, this got through no bother? WTF.
 

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While the intent of this article was to provide a snapshot of the kind of gaming and geek porn that's out there now, it's clear in retrospect that, in terms of the images and the analysis you expect from us, we made a mistake.
"in retrospect"

Yes, truly, only the power of hindsight could have foreseen that this entire thing was a BAD FUCKING IDEA

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mindatlarge

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's because they're fictional. That's always what it comes down to. They're not 10 years old or 1000 years old in their mind because they're not real, they're simply drawings.
"In addition, Section 1466A of Title 18, United State Code, makes it illegal for any person to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to transfer or distribute visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct and are deemed obscene. This statute offers an alternative 2-pronged test for obscenity with a lower threshold than the Miller test. The matter involving minors can be deemed obscene if it (i) depicts an image that is, or appears to be a minor engaged in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse and (ii) if the image lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. A first time offender convicted under this statute faces fines and at least 5 years to a maximum of 20 years in prison "

 

TinfoilHatsROn

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The article was telling you that a lot of rule 34/fandom porn is fucked up and gross. They could've done that without posting the actual content in question (and absolutely should have) but it's worth discussing.

No one is going to jail for clicking on this Kotaku article.
No it wasn't. The article was mocking the pornography by saying it's cheap garbage and saying it should be higher quality and improved. It's not some fucking deep and nuanced take on R34 porn, lol.

Edit: We reading the same article or what?
 

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"In addition, Section 1466A of Title 18, United State Code, makes it illegal for any person to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to transfer or distribute visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct and are deemed obscene. This statute offers an alternative 2-pronged test for obscenity with a lower threshold than the Miller test. The matter involving minors can be deemed obscene if it (i) depicts an image that is, or appears to be a minor engaged in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse and (ii) if the image lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. A first time offender convicted under this statute faces fines and at least 5 years to a maximum of 20 years in prison "

Obscenity statutes haven't been used for decades because hardly anything gets passed the "lacking artistic value" portion.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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Let's not forget that the Harry Potter pics weren't all "fantasy". The porn used a 3d model of Emma Watson. While the footage was obviously animated, in 10 years we will have character models that will be pretty much photorealistic. Sooner or later "videogame porn" with 3d models will go from obviously-fake "innocent fun" to straight up porn that looks real. This is exactly what the article asked for, better, more high-quality game porn. Is this really a thing we should want? The writer looks more and more like a massive pervert.
 

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No it wasn't. The article was mocking the pornography by saying it's cheap garbage and saying it should be higher quality and improved. It's not some fucking deep and nuanced take on R34 porn, lol.

Edit: We reading the same article or what?
There are plenty of parts of the article where she says that what's happening on screen makes her uncomfortable or is problematic. I'm not saying it's a good article, but at no point is it suggesting any of this stuff is positive.
 

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Imagine going to jail cus Kotaku posted child porn. Shit like that isn't funny, I hope Kotaku fire the people responsible. If not shit needs to be looked into by someone else
 

Jintor

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they really gotta be more careful with editorial on shit like this. I think it's perfectly valid to talk about the intersection of sex, videogames, and horny people with a lot of creative skills and time on their hands, but they have to position it properly or you get shit like this.
 

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The article is not saying rape is OK. Its saying the fictional rape porn is gross and uncomfortable. There is tons of rape porn out there, I think it's entirely fair for media to comment on that. The problem is in posting actual images from it which can be triggering for people with sexual trauma, especially without trigger warnings.

I 100% agree with you that discussing this stuff should happen, and it should be good to highlight this sort of culture for the same reason we highlight other toxic cultures (as you noted, workers' rights issues a la Riot Games are a related issue of focus). I can't comment on this article as I have limited interest in reading it with or without the pictures included, though I definitely also agree that having the images in the article unedited was a move that goes far beyond stupid into apparently malicious.

I look at adult content same as most people, and I don't share it here for the sake of discussion specifically in order to not risk traumatizing people. Sex positivity requires affirmative consent, and as I like to say, discretion is the better part of horny on main.

Like, I just did a google search for Misty (with safe search off), and it did not take long for arguably sexual images to pop up, including one with nudity. No explicit sex, but I'm sure a quick trip to a million different image galleries/communities could solve that.

The internet has always collectively turned a blind eye to this stuff, simply because it's fictional. Ignoring it/handwaving it away leads to complacency, and complacency leads to articles like this where someone can post this stuff and seemingly, at no point in the process, genuinely think about what they're doing. And what this porn is depicting. They don't think of it in the same terms as real porn simply "because" it's fictional. No one is being "harmed" by fictional depictions. They're not "real".

And since there's no way on Earth you'd ever be able to have any sort of objective study on the effects of the availability of fictional depictions of child pornography, they'll hide behind the "it's not real what's the big deal" excuse for as long as possible because it's on you to prove it's harmful, rather than them to prove it's not.

It's extra hard when countries like Japan fight so hard against laws that would start to restrict stuff like this, usually in the name of artistic freedom and under the guise of fighting "censorship".



I fully believe this article was written and approved by the sole metric of "horny kids will click on this". This is the equivalent of writing an article about Fortnite porno, and simply picking other random properties kids might have been interested in and not really thinking too far beyond that. This kind of stuff really is common the moment you wander away from the "mainstream" internet. It's a testament to how much people genuinely don't stop and think about what this stuff is actually depicting.



Also want to point out if your temp folder is on a traditional HDD, even after deleting the files they may linger until that data is eventually overwritten (if ever).

This is also a very good post.
 

IamFlying

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Apr 6, 2019
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Kate Gray

She's a freelancer, and a narrative designer at an indie company.

I didn't read all their articles, just glance through two, the headlines of all her articles sound like dumb click bait.

Articles seems in the spirit of: This is all so gross and disturbing let me show you some pictures...

It's as low, dumb and clickbaity as internet can get. Kotaku really needs this? It's underdetermined all the good work from the real writers/journalist at Kotaku.
 
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