Between this and Axiom Verge, what's the deal with these metroidvanias with bland-ass main characters. Part of the fantasy of these games is taking your character from weak and limited to overwhelmingly capable and "generic person with jacket" just doesn't fit that bill.Probably. I think it could have done a lot better if the main character's design wasn't so underwhelming. People don't even know her name lol.
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Did Control bomb?
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Remedy do awesome games. But sadly, they always find a way to fuck off hard after Max Payne 2.
Alan Wake was announced has a PC game. Then suddenly it was a Xbox exclusive. As a console exclusive, they didn't adjusted visuals enough so needed to reduce the resolution too much and lot of gamers were not happy. Obviously pc gamers were angry then.
After two years, finally the pc version was launched on steam. Remedy said they will embrace steam because their pc long relation. Sigh.
But then Quantum Break was announced as a Windows Store exclusive. And the launch was terrible. Hours long video scenes that you can't download in the windows version, only stream, and terrible performance. Five months later launched on steam. That version was way better but far away from a good pc port.
So after those two bad decisions you can hope they don't want to fail again. But Control is Epic Exclusive for a whole year in exchange ONLY of secure 200K game sales. It's fucking stupid because they are fucking a lot of fans.
That they don't know how to make a game without performance problems doesn't help.
Shame. I had avoided Quantum Break for a long time because of all the issues I recall hearing about during the PC launch. It's a pretty interesting game and it just has that Remedy feel I hadn't even realized I was missing.
I feel almost tempted to pick up Control.
I feel almost tempted to pick up Control.
I bought Control. Really sleek and stylish. I can totally understand it lacking in mainstream appeal. I'm a few hours in and the storytelling is interesting and unorthodox but I can totally see how people might skip it. I haven't touched it in a while cause gears grabbed me.. I want to get back to it but it's going to be difficult.
smoking crack, huh?
Division 2 has to this day awful texture streaming, it just doesn´t run well on the Pro at all, it basically needs an SSD, otherwise you have constantly loading textures.
anyways, Control is a good game, even a surprise but it also has its problems: too much shooting sequences when the shooting
isn´t really satisfying/could be better(throwing crap around feels better than the shooting), the assets are repeated throughout the whole building, too much looks the same/boring. they could have done much more with the shifting environments. Jesse is ok but not exactly a protagonist with a personality to remember.
the missing difficulty setting hurts the game too, i would like more challenge where other people want it a little bit easier, it is not a good idea to bring such a game with no difficulty settings.
relying on 120 documents to get a grasp on the story might be cool for people who like to read but it is also not the optimal way to deliver a good story.
it could be a bit crazier imo, sometimes i was like "this is cool!" before it is back to the mundane setting, it could have been more tense and more insane imo
i am near the end and would give it a 8/10 because i really enjoyed it despite those issues
btw i am playing on the Pro installed on SSD and the game runs fine to me, there are some drops when coming from the menu but otherwise i think it is solid now
i also think that not every game has to be a megahit, who decides if something bombs or not? it is a new singleplayer IP without multiplayer, when those games aren´t platform exclusives with a high marketing budget (like Horizon for example) they tend to struggle these days. people are just like that, they would buy sequel number 4 in a heartbeat but a new unknown IP from a third party developer is almost always struggling to get the deserved sales these days.
It's completely fine on X and Pro (I had one serious framerate drop in ~30 hours with the game).
It's not ideal on base consoles, though.
I think control lacked much pre release hype and the performance issues that bugged its release = negative hype
It's good for others tho, I found a code someone threw away so free game for me :P (well two if you count youngblood)
More like 30-40 fps with ocassional drops to <30fps. (I have non-OC GTX 970)
So far from ideal. Might as well put money towards new GPU.
You're on mega Crack. Control is one of the worst performing games I've played in my life. Frequent drops to almost single digit fps constantly on Xbox one x ssd and this is supposed to be the best console version. It was so bad I couldn't get past the chapter 6 boss, it drops so bad I can't dodge or tell what the fuck is going on anymore and die every time. I tried on two Xbox one xs on both internal and external ssd. No other game I've played has close to the same issues.
Worst performing game this Gen for me.
I like Control. It's not the best Remedy's made (Alan Wake is still my Remedy favourite due to the story, the characters and the amazing atmosphere), but it saddens me that it apparently bombed. And I wonder why many single player games ends up like this. Only Sony's seem to do well. Anyone know how A Plague Tale did...?
that shows there is some kind of bug affecting it, I didn't have any ofthose issues and DF didn't comment on it being that bad either.
I was really interested in at as someone who loved Alan Wake, but it performs like shit on consoles and I'm not buying games on the EGS, so that's one sale down.
DF had one x dropping to 15 in certain areas so pretty close to my situation.
I don't care about EGS but I won't pay more than £30 for a video game anymore. I love Remedy but there are too many releases now for me to keep up.
I'm always around 3 months behind on new games unless they're cheaper on cdkeys.
I'm always around 3 months behind on new games unless they're cheaper on cdkeys.
I think A Plague Tale did pretty well, same with Greedfall
It's not just Sony and Nintendo though, Ace Combat 7, Resident Evil 2 Remake, Devil May Cry and Sekiro all sold well for example.
GTA IV DLCs under performed and you expect that Control DLC that will be released like 6+ months after release will do something?
Remedy and 505 did same mistake as Bethesda for Dishonored and Prey games. They invested very little in marketing and relied on Twitch/YouTube personalities to sell the game. There tons of games released these days from Indie to AAA and you need strong marketing.
i wonder if it would be considered a good thing if sony bought remedy at this point.
on one hand they wont have to worry about financial issues as much, but itd also mean less creative freedom.
on one hand they wont have to worry about financial issues as much, but itd also mean less creative freedom.
I can't imagine being so uninformed about and passively disengaged from your own hobbies that you literally don't know anything about a video game unless you see repeated advertising for it.
Remedy has nothing to offer to Sony. And I think Sony agrees.
505 is a better fit for them, while they can make creative IP with lesser budgets.
That might appear like a sensible observation, but without a context for just how much money is required for "strong marketing" the concept falls on it's face.
This is why we big AAA games from say Sony who's marketing spend is usually greater than the cost of making the game.
Those titles may have a marketing budget that is 2-3times the cost of Control's entire development and marketing budget.
But when you are promoting a platform which you need to keep people engaged with and an exclusive game which might go on to sell 10million units it is a slightly different proposition to advertising a game that is forecast to maybe sell 2million units.
this is one of the reasons that these exclusivity deals (in the case of control ) are so attractive to publishers, as just being given the opportunity to be show in Sony's E3 show or be placed in the featured section of the store is of huge value vs how much it would cost in cash to achieve a similar result.
Marketing is expensive but it is unfortunately necessity these days because market is oversaturated. Especially for one and done games like Control. And there is no recipe for success unfortunately so they could just apply that. But casting as wide as possible net has most chances for success. Run YT ads, pick some countries and put billboards and other real world ads, release demo before launch or at launch... They don;t need to spend money on Conan show or TV ads that are way more expensive but they shouldn't just rely on word of mouth and streamers either.
This shit again? Why are some of you salty that a game you don't like is very successful? I doubt you even played that glorified expansion. If Borderlands 3 didn't exist Control would have still flopped so it is irrelevant for this discussion. You talk as if Control is some masterpiece while Borderlands 3 is trash. They have similar scores. And lots of people think Control looks like a Quantum Break expansion.
Matt says it bombed and this isn't the first time he has said it.
Why would Sony even be looking into possibly acquiring Remedy if the agree with you? Seems they don't. I think chan ces are good they work on a project together next gen.
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no more disingenuous than calling control quantum break dlc
Yeah. I find myself only paying 50+ for games I deem sustainable, with an online mode that keeps me engaged. Or games I sink 80+ hours into such as a good FF release or Witcher 3. Controls looks good, but I probably won't play it beyond a week. I'm eyeing a sale.
Didn,t buy it, but mostly because i have a potato PC and i didn't kniw this game existed until this month.
No, seriously, i genuinely tend to check game news every day but somehow i did not know about Remedy making a game, and if i heard about this game, i may have forgotten it's existence due to an amazingly generic name which is probably not good for something like a Google Search.
Though i am glad to hear the game is good, not so great to hear that there is apparently PS4 exclusive content because i hate that kind of thing, but yeah, it does seem like marketing screwed up or that they should have released the game in a better state.
No, seriously, i genuinely tend to check game news every day but somehow i did not know about Remedy making a game, and if i heard about this game, i may have forgotten it's existence due to an amazingly generic name which is probably not good for something like a Google Search.
Though i am glad to hear the game is good, not so great to hear that there is apparently PS4 exclusive content because i hate that kind of thing, but yeah, it does seem like marketing screwed up or that they should have released the game in a better state.
It is weird that this is the first game in over a decade I can recall being praised heavily by critics and yet regular people couldn't care less.
Go to listen to any podcast that mentions control and they will rave about it.
A frequent praise it gets is, the performance is horrible but the game is so much fun I can tolerate it. Giant bomb, gamespot, etc have said exactly that or close to it.
I don't know how someone could play Control and not know Jesse Faden's name.
They say it a thousand times in the first few hours.
Love the inner monologue stuff. Not quite as on point as RE2make Claire Redfield, but that's a really high bar in a much shorter game.
They say it a thousand times in the first few hours.
Love the inner monologue stuff. Not quite as on point as RE2make Claire Redfield, but that's a really high bar in a much shorter game.
except you're being wilfully obtuse because....reasons?
the art style is near identical, they reused a tonne of animations and assets (given their normal dev time for a game on ONE platform, they would have had to for 2) and the protagonist even looks nearly exactly like Beth from Quantum Break.
remedy was pretty open about control initially being a quantum break sequel before becoming a new IP. that said these games don't look similar at all (gameplay wise anyway).
I hope not, I really want to play this game. I just have to wait for the Steam release. I will be all over it then.
It seems that some people think of it as a bomb because it didn't chart on August top titles (US) and games like Astral Chain or Man of Medan did.
It surely didn't sell like crazy but I'll wait for actual numbers or projection to name it a bomb or not, I really hope it's not the case since Control is one of my GoTY contenders.
Shame, thought it would've sold better given the positive word of mouth surrounding the game.
Like Quantum Break, I'll buy it on sale when it comes out Steam.
Like Quantum Break, I'll buy it on sale when it comes out Steam.
Amazon was supposed to give me Control since it was supposed to come with my 2080ti purchase but they frakked it up and somehow some other guy got my code. Still ended up playing the game finally but then Gears 5 dropped...
This month was too crowded with hits.
This month was too crowded with hits.
Control is an outstanding game with incredible atmosphere. Combat is fluid and intuitive and the level design peaks at excellence.
It has some issues in places, some sections feel a little drawn out, but overall this is in the running for my GOTY.
The lore and world building is off the charts great. This is the first game in forever where i actively seem out and devour all memos and recordings etc...
Amazing game.
I will say, though, I'm on PC where the perfomance issues didn't hit me. I played at max settings with RTX on full (dialled back to 1080 to get over 60fps), and it ran and looked phenomenal.
It has some issues in places, some sections feel a little drawn out, but overall this is in the running for my GOTY.
The lore and world building is off the charts great. This is the first game in forever where i actively seem out and devour all memos and recordings etc...
Amazing game.
I will say, though, I'm on PC where the perfomance issues didn't hit me. I played at max settings with RTX on full (dialled back to 1080 to get over 60fps), and it ran and looked phenomenal.
Jesse is a good character.
She's one of the better (realistic) female character designs of the whole generation.Probably. I think it could have done a lot better if the main character's design wasn't so underwhelming. People don't even know her name lol.
Not to even mention she's a pretty bad ass character altogether.
Yep, waiting until the exclusivity period to be over, by then the game should be $20 or less.
That is stupidly reductive to be honest.
The lore, the level design, the atmosphere, the writing... all very different and improved upon QB.
The combat is similar, but it is different enough to stamp it's own mark and feels very different to actually play once you've unlocked all the abilities.