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Dialogue or references that lower your opinion of a game?
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I guess this isn't "dialogue" but a writing trope that I rather dislike is mind control/brainwashing, for several reasons
1. It removes the idea that characters' choices drive the story. It's basically "You get to decide what moral code to follow... unless you don't"
2. It immediately makes any God/gods/divine powers rather suspect. Like thanks Farore, you couldn't make humans have inviolable free will?
3. When used in plots like Final Fantasy 4 where it's implied that you can only be "brainwashed" to do what you secretly want to do, it feels a little better because it is at least ripe for emotional usage. But if it's literally used like "Swiggity swooty, I control your boody" like in Mario Odyssey, My Hero Academia, Archie Sonic/SatAM, Zelda Oracle of Ages, etc. it adds all of that ambiguity about making moral choices and the morality about whoever created humans, but without any real deep look into it.
I feel it's really lousy to put it in and not have much emotional depth with it, because like I said it's a deep subject that I inevitably think about more after the show, so if those deep things aren't explored in the show/game itself it feels like a rather cheaply-used plot device.
1. It removes the idea that characters' choices drive the story. It's basically "You get to decide what moral code to follow... unless you don't"
2. It immediately makes any God/gods/divine powers rather suspect. Like thanks Farore, you couldn't make humans have inviolable free will?
3. When used in plots like Final Fantasy 4 where it's implied that you can only be "brainwashed" to do what you secretly want to do, it feels a little better because it is at least ripe for emotional usage. But if it's literally used like "Swiggity swooty, I control your boody" like in Mario Odyssey, My Hero Academia, Archie Sonic/SatAM, Zelda Oracle of Ages, etc. it adds all of that ambiguity about making moral choices and the morality about whoever created humans, but without any real deep look into it.
I feel it's really lousy to put it in and not have much emotional depth with it, because like I said it's a deep subject that I inevitably think about more after the show, so if those deep things aren't explored in the show/game itself it feels like a rather cheaply-used plot device.
So don't defend it if you don't know what others are talking about:
Almost every line of dialogue in DmC: Devil May Cry. Also Bulletstorm's attempts at humor repelled me from playing the game at all.
The "ALL UNITS, BE ADVISED, FEMINISM IS AWESOME" thing from BattleBorn evokes a pretty big eyeroll. The Torque character from Borderlands 2 has some similarly bad quotes.
Something about the concept of the tough macho man shouting out progressive viewpoints angrily just felt... dumb as hell? Like the joke is that masculine dudes aren't usually progressive?
Something about the concept of the tough macho man shouting out progressive viewpoints angrily just felt... dumb as hell? Like the joke is that masculine dudes aren't usually progressive?
I regret continuing to play Persona 5 after that first homophobic scene. It felt like a slap in the face when I came across it and it completely soured my opinion of the game.
It's an awkward hamfisted piece of dialogue that is not only an unfunny joke but also seems like a unnecessary soapbox for the developer. I never said no one can have dissenting opinions, but that specific exchange was weird and bad. I still really enjoyed Va11-Ha11-A on the whole.
Honestly, if we take that as a deliberate gag for a support conversation between two taciturn characters... I kinda like it? That said, it did mean that a lot of character detail was lost as a result.
It was purposely done as a gag support, as it was a reference to an old rom hack video.
Didn't know Max had such a bad taste
Jk, still love Life is Strange
Character is based off a Jim Sterling "character" so tired writing is par for the course, tbh.
the disney mafia will descend upon them if they break the terms and conditions
like pg-13 movies, they get one or two chances to say it differently, any more and its curtains
I generally really liked Va11-Hall-A but this weird "SJW" joke felt out of place and put a bad taste in my mouth
In a game that is otherwise really progressive and inclusive, it seemed like a really weird bit of commentary that didn't fit.
You have to look at it in the context of the game, it's not like anyone in the game likes Donovan cause he's an asshole, so of course he would say stuff like this.
He is obviously a caricature and the game doesn't want you to sympathise with him in that moment.
edit: whoops, I don't know how this happened. Crossthread weird.
I generally really liked Va11-Hall-A but this weird "SJW" joke felt out of place and put a bad taste in my mouth
In a game that is otherwise really progressive and inclusive, it seemed like a really weird bit of commentary that didn't fit.
Wow, this just turned me off the game pretty hard.
I still can't believe this made it to the final game.
Turns out you can do representation wrong for the sake of checking boxes.
It's bothersome for long time players, but it absolutely makes sense in context since they're CONSTANTLY meeting new people in new worlds.
I like the part where the characters in P5 complain about not being able to read something in english, all the while speaking perfect english.
It's funny in a meta way, but i think most people understand that the game is taking place in japan and they're speaking japanese and we, the players, hear it in english for our convinience.
Think of it as that bit on the 90's fantastic 4 cartoon where Stan Lee briefly appears to say that for the convinience of the audience we'll here the skrulls in english rather than their language.
Context there matters. The guy spouting those lines is supposed to be an asshole that no one likes. The character is like the people who would say that stuff in real life.
I played the game. I know Donovan is supposed to be a shitty person. I still think it's a crappy joke that I found off putting.
And, as I've said multiple times, I still enjoyed Va11-Ha11-A quite a bit.
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This 'SoCal Justice Warriors' reference suggests that the writer is an asshole and putting their shitty IRL commentary into a fantasy world. There are so many ways to reflect real life persicution in narrative without co-opting the specific phrases used to incite harm towards others.
For example, I think it would be an incredibly bad idea to represent someone as an asshole by showing them rallying around statues with tiki torches.
I appreciate the writer's intent, and I've heard many good things about the game in general. I don't generally do well with visual novels but I still intend to give this a shot.
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The dialogue at the Toy Story world boss is probably the moment KH made me cringe the hardest.
But KH3 is pretty bad all around in its dialogue. It's rare that a conversation can go on and not make you roll your eyes at least once or twice.
I was all fun and games with DmC even with Dante's shit, because I was just like "he's young and cocky in this reimagining whatever"
But when vergil made the bigger dick comment and the sniper rifle abortion i was fucking done, finished the game and didnt even fucking touch the DLC
But when vergil made the bigger dick comment and the sniper rifle abortion i was fucking done, finished the game and didnt even fucking touch the DLC
This is wild because the honorifics in the localizations don't even match the ones in the Japanese dialogue. They're literally only there for the sake of cheap exoticism.
It's definitely something that becomes more apparent upon replaying the games you first experienced in adolescence.
The game developers used to post on 4chan's amateur game development general. If I remember correctly an early prototype was made for one of their game jams.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. I don't think the SoCal Justice Warriors joke itself is very good and I think it shows up way too early in the game before you can really understand the tone of the game but do you really think that every character in a game should be an exact reflection of what the writer feels? I think there is a way do your tiki torch example in a way that's not offensive and effective too. Do I trust most devs to pull it off well? No, but I don't think it's impossible.
Overly obvious Dark Souls references annoy me for reasons I can't quite explain. Incidentally, that's another strike against Dead Cells (in addition to the already mentioned scene with the hanged person)
Every single line from Divinity Original Sin 1. Including this exchange which made me uninstall the game which went if I remember correctly:
Protagonist: "Tell me about the sects of Rivellon"
Mayor: "Did your mother not tell you about the birds and the bees?"
Cringe.
Protagonist: "Tell me about the sects of Rivellon"
Mayor: "Did your mother not tell you about the birds and the bees?"
Cringe.