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Diablo IV further confirmed via character leak in upcoming art book excerpt.
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Yeah, if there's one character who should look like the wet dream of a teenager who listens to too much metal, it's probably Lilith.
I mean, do we remember Andariel from diablo 2? Lilith is her mom (prior to a retcon, but still)
That aint a family that dresses sensibly.
I mean, do we remember Andariel from diablo 2? Lilith is her mom (prior to a retcon, but still)
That aint a family that dresses sensibly.
In RoS Lillith is supposed to have been more or less neutral and had a romantic relationship with one of the high angels. It's all told through various books found in the last part if Act V
Jesus they should be embarrassed by that design. Not only is it fucking awful in this day and age, but it's also an incredibly obvious redesign of Kerrigan. Utterly without imagination or creativity.
To be honest, they should just scrap the entirety of D3a storyline and the Nephalim concept. I'm not entirely sure how many illegal drugs you have to be on to base the entire lore of your game on an incredibly shitty Richard Knaack novel, but whoever made that decision should never be allowed near a creative team again.
To be honest, they should just scrap the entirety of D3a storyline and the Nephalim concept. I'm not entirely sure how many illegal drugs you have to be on to base the entire lore of your game on an incredibly shitty Richard Knaack novel, but whoever made that decision should never be allowed near a creative team again.
Brom is a very talented artist and has produced some fantastic pieces over the 20+ years that I've filled him.
By the way this is Brom... I don't know who did the artwork on the front page.
By the way this is Brom... I don't know who did the artwork on the front page.
First off, it's fucking Diablo. Before Diablo 3 the series was basically defined by a gothic horror aesthetic developed by Blizzard North that was a far cry from everything Cali Blizzard was producing at the time (with the contrast only becoming larger as time goes by). This design is not gothic horror. It's generic fantasy schlock.
Secondly, basically everyone missed the train on Succubi being predators of men, creatures who horrifically consume men in a one-sided predator-and-prey relationship. Making them physically attractive is actually besides the point; Succubi don't need to be attractive because they have powers that allow them to ensnare men regardless of what they're attracted to. Yet Another Sexy Succubus is thus just another boring rehash of the trope that frames Succubi as somehow being both predators of men while also being the subject of male gaze (something that is completely unnecessary given the nature of their existence).
So no, I'm not gonna give them a pass on this one. Sorry.
Skeletons aren't banned in China. Neither is blood, gore, etc.
Western companies, including Blizzard and their Chinese publishers, proactively censor to to be extra safe because foreign games getting a monetization license is a huge pain in the ass and they don't want to take any risks and delay the launch.
D4 will likely be like D3--less blood and gore, but still demons, skeletons, etc.
It's far far far closer to the Alexstraza/Yssera designs than Kerrigan's
That's a pretty silly hill to die on given that like virtually every modern interpretation of succubus is "demon who takes the form of an attractive woman to seduce/lure men". Like, sorry if that's not accurate I guess, but /shrug?
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Lilith has existed long before D3/The Sin War books.
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People aren't complaining that she's a dark fantasy design, they're complaining about Horns, wings and sexualization.
Diablo 1 had succubi too, and they were just voluptuous topless women with thigh high boots and wings so I'm not sure what your point is.
You shouldnt even be able to play as a male character in Diablo 4 because you'd be too susceptible to Lilith.
You know, for 'realism'
Lilith is fine - she was mentioned in D2 after all. But the entire nephalim backstory and the absolute *garbage* that he tossed out one afternoon is embarrassing shit even for him. The fact they didn't just ignore it but instead embraced it says a lot about the process behind Diablo 3.
Also, more than anything else, the design is a rehash of what they were already doing with Kerrigan.
It is boring for that alone.
The point is that we can do better than rehashing the same shit over and over again just because it's 'tradition'. It's sexist horse shit is what it is.
Ideally I'd rather they sidestep the issue entirely by not casting succubi as primary antagonists, but I already know what to expect from Blizzard at this point.
Not really. Read those posts again. It's more about how samey modern Blizzard designs tend to be (especially with the rather inescapable comparison between this Lilith design and ye ol' Queen of Blades). And yes, the sexualization because Blizzard just can't seem to let that one go for whatever reason.
Diablo 2 improved on that front, at least. Is it too much to ask for better?
Oh hey they will finally do what I asked for D3 to do regarding Lilith and the Trilogy of Sin?
Too bad, should've done it back then.
Too bad, should've done it back then.
And now shove this generic ass kerigan lookin bad guy through the WoW bubble graphics filter and see what we get!
That's her HOTS design. The WoW one is betterReminds me a bit of Alexstraza too.
Pretty boring overall.
Yes, the other one is somehow evil looking (the face mostly)
Is it though?
Don't know what I expected, looks like every female winged demon ever.
Even if that's what they're going for there's still room to make something unique.
Even if that's what they're going for there's still room to make something unique.
Diablo 4 will not look like Diablo 3, no doubt.
But what will define whether Diablo 4 is worth if the number is based on how the gameplay evolves. If it's anything like Diablo 2 or Path of Exile and not the shitty, limiting skill system that D3 had, it will be worthy of the 4.
Yes, a thousand times this! I hated that Diablo III reused locations, bosses and geography for it's four acts. Heck, they even went with a similar location progression of base DII's Tristram/Lut Gholein/Kurast Docks/Hell with DIII's Tristram/Caldeum/Bastion's Keep/High Heavens.
If they wanted to mention previous locations as lore bits you pick up, then that's fine. I just don't want to start off in Tristram again, as that town should stay in the past. It's old hat at this point.
Originally they were going to go with Xiansai, Westmarch, Skovos & Ureh, instead it was MEMBER DIABLO 1 & 2!
Im so sick of nostalgia pandering honestly, even though i can't see how Lilith could work as the big bad without some retcon, at least it's not Diablo again, hopefully.
Skovos could've been such a cool location to visit, as someone who played the Amazon class religiously in DII. (All the more reason HOTS's interpretation of DII's Amazon was such a cool update to her old design.)
Speaking of pandering, remember Izual? In Diablo II, you (as the player) were asked by Tyrael to put the soul of his old comrade to rest, believing that Izual had suffered enough and his spirit was vanquished. In Diablo III, he was....resurrected by the "Prime Evil" to serve and help conquor the high heavens? And history repeated itself and Izual was once again struck down?
I really didn't understand the 'why' for bringing back most of the bosses from past games, especially when half of them weren't actually that memorable to begin with.
Yeah that wasn't needed, same as the Butcher & Skeleton King coming back.
Preach. Succubi in folklore were not originally bombshells with demon wings and horns taped on.
Shit's boring. Overdone. Even if the sexualized shit doesn't bother you... At least ask for something more interesting! Ask for creativity! It looks like every other evil non human woman Blizzard has designed in the past decade.