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Not everyone can be as awesome as Larian I guess.
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Diablo IV announced
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Not everyone can be as awesome as Larian I guess.
It's a little better messaging than Diablo 3 where they mocked fans and ignored all feedback until they realized things had gone too far. At least they claim to be open to feedback for this one even in the early stages.
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OMFG, they are doing again skill selection progress, so you unlock skills and skill slots as you go through the campaign ;/
They really need to change this, it makes leveling new characters completely shit.
OMFG, they are doing again skill selection progress, so you unlock skills and skill slots as you go through the campaign ;/
They really need to change this, it makes leveling new characters completely shit.
Its very early in development. If you expect to have all the features in place at this stage of the project you don't understand how development works. Sometimes you design features on paper but they suck when finally implemented into the game. There's lots of stuff that is bound to change until the game ships.
No. Getting rid of main stats from D3 is fine. They were completely pointless.
But +10% or +100 dmg is not the same and should not simply be merged into a single stat.
In any case, the game really should not have something as simple as +dmg as a major part of your stats. It shopuld be +dot dmg, +fire dmg, +melee dmg, +range dmg, etc. Stats that are equally wanted by all builds is both bad itemization and bad build design.
Absolutely with you on that. If it's a shared world (even after endgame) then I'm going to pass. Let me play offline like a loner if I want to.
That is true. Just makes me wonder about how in early state they are with things like that being said.
If they are truly as early as they seem to imply then this is yet another reboot and not version from 2016.
Offline is unlikely to happen. But yeah, you really need to be able to play 100% solo, where nobody can enter your overworld, with world bosses etc. scaling down.
I'm really looking forward to seeing hell in D4. If I had one suggestion regarding the graphics, contrast could be better and I think they're overusing fog. Armor and environments are going to look a lot less plain at end game I'm sure.
Based on what it sounded like during Rhykker's interview, they're still extremely early. Like, maybe only a quarter of the game world has been created, they haven't fleshed out the ideas for clans, and a whole lot more is still in discussion phases.
It really does feel like they've either rebooted it again since 2016, or Jason was incorrect. I'm leaning towards the former.
POE is one of the most disgusting, gory, horrifyingly chilling (the screams of agony in Lunaris Temple level 2) games I've ever played.
I kind of liked how dexterity affected your accuracy and block chance. It wasn't impactful and yet it was if you were going melee. That absolute dread when you can't connect a hit against monsters and they're swarming you is what makes Diablo tick as a dungeon crawler in my opinion. Shame it won't return in a million years.
The stuff regarding stats is a bit confusing at the moment, but I like the general direction they seem to be going with overall. The live blog mentions the return of stuff like runes/runewords which is great. In general the details from the live blog/Q&A sound good. Ultimately this game is probably a couple years so as long as they take good feedback from fans then I expect the systems to work themselves out in time. If the itemization, skills, etc., are done right I don't think the stats are particularly meaningful, but we'll.
I think it's the same project it's just likely they were never really "underway" in a major way back in 2016-2017 when the previous iteration got canned. I think we only heard this year that a bunch of resources from other canned games were moved to this project, so they may have been working with a relatively small crew until recently. Also worth considering that since they have multiple Diablo projects running, what was started back in 2016 was overall planning for the Diablo franchise not specifically this game.
oh wow that does look kinda spooky. I keep forgetting about that game. I should give it a try.POE is one of the most disgusting, gory, horrifyingly chilling (the screams of agony in Lunaris Temple level 2) games I've ever played.
Path of Exile was excellent last time I've played, and that was years ago.
Thanks for this summary (forgot to say it in my previous post). Some nice stuff, but the Characters and Itemization parts are worrying.
I started in PC and then switched to consoles cause couch co-op. There is just some magic there:
Not saying they should've abandoned the core formula, but the classes so far just look like reskins.
I get that they want to play it safe and capture that D2 fanbase, but this seems a little too safe.
The current design philosophy is for sure, simmer that shit down.
In a way, that's ok. It's difficult to estimate the attack score in D3 before you actually change it, record numbers, and trigger to get all your buffs. In another sense, I hope they don't kill the complexity involved as well. They need to tread carefully, IMO
Yesssssssssssssssssssss
also assuming they meant 4 player couch co-op like D3
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Pretty much, rift system was already step to that direction.
Seems to be a modification on the Great Rift keys but with new map options. Worked for PoE, so D4 could do it better.
I'm fine with them taking their time on the development of the game. What they have shown (so far) instills confidence that the final product will turn out well.
Dungeon keys themselves are not a new concept. Basically some variation of WoW Mythic or PoE maps. But that is hardly a bad thing.
However, I like that they seem to focus on keeping the world relevant in end-game. In this case by tying the dungeon keys into the existing dungeons. Not just a portal to a temporary instance.
In both D3 and PoE, in end-game, you kinda move beyond the game world, and everything becomes instanced portal worlds. Here the goal seem to be that the overworld is always where you start your activities from.
Likewise with the 'shared world events' (even if I wish they made the Shared part optional).
However, I like that they seem to focus on keeping the world relevant in end-game. In this case by tying the dungeon keys into the existing dungeons. Not just a portal to a temporary instance.
In both D3 and PoE, in end-game, you kinda move beyond the game world, and everything becomes instanced portal worlds. Here the goal seem to be that the overworld is always where you start your activities from.
Likewise with the 'shared world events' (even if I wish they made the Shared part optional).
Wait - they got David Kim to be lead systems designer on this? RIP
Man, the hole Josh Mosqueira left at Blizzard after his Dark Souls Diablo prototype was scrapped has never been filled. His contributions to Destiny The Taken King, Diablo 3 Reaper of Souls, WoW: Legion are immense. Honestly, the more I see of this, the more i'm excited for Bonfire Studios' first game.
What they should've done was just remastered Diablo 2 for the hc fans who just want more diablo 2, then taken diablo in a new direction and done the Dark Souls Diablo game.
Man, the hole Josh Mosqueira left at Blizzard after his Dark Souls Diablo prototype was scrapped has never been filled. His contributions to Destiny The Taken King, Diablo 3 Reaper of Souls, WoW: Legion are immense. Honestly, the more I see of this, the more i'm excited for Bonfire Studios' first game.
What they should've done was just remastered Diablo 2 for the hc fans who just want more diablo 2, then taken diablo in a new direction and done the Dark Souls Diablo game.
Tbh I'm pretty worried about it now after reading https://www.wowhead.com/news=296005.2/blizzcon-2019-liveblog-diablo-iv-systems-features-panel, hopefully the itemisation and flavour text is all placeholder because if thats indicative of what it will actually be like its garbage.
Like, are they making a joke or something? Its exactly like D3 was at launch, but maybe even worse, I need to know we aren't going back to D3 day-one level of depth to the metagame/itemisation, at least the level design, maps and events were awesome.
Like, are they making a joke or something? Its exactly like D3 was at launch, but maybe even worse, I need to know we aren't going back to D3 day-one level of depth to the metagame/itemisation, at least the level design, maps and events were awesome.
POE is one of the most disgusting, gory, horrifyingly chilling (the screams of agony in Lunaris Temple level 2) games I've ever played.
PoE has this look I don't think any other games I've played has, it's really amazing. Lunaris Temple level 3 is really spooky and gruesome.
And you get to that boss going through quite a few... sphincters.
It seems they have learned their lesson from Diablo III's development and are trying to not repeat the same mistakes going forward, such as the team being much more open to feedback and constructive criticism.
I understand what you mean about D3's Rifts and Greater Rifts, but I did find that disconnecting and boring so I just redid adventure mode over and over and eventually did [most of] the achievements too. I liked going to town from the map and going back again, very satisfying loop for me, so hopefully you can also do that still.
Hopefully, but what do you think of the itemisation/flavour text in the screenshots?
Aside from all the other obvious reasons why reducing statistical complexity down to just "attack" and "defense" is horrible, there is the fact that most developers get such summaries wrong. They almost always do. Just because an item has an up arrow in no way means it's better. And without the actual stats... really tedious manual testing will have to be done. So they're actually in all likelihood making it far harder to determine which items are useful at endgame in specialized builds.
Of course, those could just be power multipliers, with nothing more complex underneath. Even then, I doubt the arrow indicator is factoring in affixes, just the stat. That's going to be potentially really misleading depending on build.
Of course, those could just be power multipliers, with nothing more complex underneath. Even then, I doubt the arrow indicator is factoring in affixes, just the stat. That's going to be potentially really misleading depending on build.
Kinda depressing how much the gameplay reminds me of Diablo 3. Even seems to have dumbed down the basic gear itemization even further than it was in D3
Definitely hope they completely overhaul that part of the game if this demo is any indication of the current gear and stat situation in D4
Edit - Oh an also please fix the inventory system. I hate that a ring takes up the same amount of space as that of a chest or big weapon
Definitely hope they completely overhaul that part of the game if this demo is any indication of the current gear and stat situation in D4
Edit - Oh an also please fix the inventory system. I hate that a ring takes up the same amount of space as that of a chest or big weapon
Same here. PoE and D3 are fine I guess, but they're no D2. Not by a long shot. And yeah I remember those reviews. Shortsighted because D2 wasn't 3D in an era where that was still the hot new shit. They were dead wrong. D2 has stood the test of time.
I know they've said that the dungeons are randomized, but have they said if the overworld itself will have a randomized layout? With them making the openworld areas into huge open zones, it seems like they'd be restricting their ability to randomize those zones
I guess I'm this crazy breed of gamer that likes it when I have to manage my inventory in games that give me inventory management systems
I guess I'm this crazy breed of gamer that likes it when I have to manage my inventory in games that give me inventory management systems
I guess some of y'all forgot that the "depth of stats" of the fondly remembered D2 was whether you put points into your primary stat or vitality.
The whole system might as well not have been there for all the "depth" it provided.
This might be generally true. Just enough stats for gear requirements and rest pumped into VIT, but this is also a pretty horrible example of what stats can add to a game. As many problems as I had with Pillars of Eternity 1, their take on stats was extremely interesting.
edit: also #bringbacktetris =)
I'm kinda glad they didnt go that direction honestly. Dark Souls and Diablo are nothing alike to me. I think there are too many Dark Souls clones already without changing an iconic franchise to copy it. Just my opinion though.