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DF Retro EX: Turok 2 Revisited! Switch/ N64/ PC - Original + Remastered!
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They didn't bother. They're just interested in churning out comparison videos "a la Candyland".
On topic: Turok 2 is miles better than Turok 1.
I dunno about that. They usually do the legwork. John mentioned that he grew up with it on PC, so maybe the thought just didn't come to him. I completely associate the game with the ram pak because I begged my mother for both of them at the time. Ha.
The game is still really fun and plays great on PC, almost as if it were intended for PC. Not sure how I managed to beat it on N64 back in the day. Some of the enemies and areas are hard even with PC controls. Enemies can be deceptively fast.
Funny thing about the N64 ram pak is that it makes performance worse on account of the boost in resolution I assume.
Funny thing about the N64 ram pak is that it makes performance worse on account of the boost in resolution I assume.
He says he doesn't have time to give it the "full treatment" due to Gamescom lol. Use your ears, people. He even says it's likely he'll revisit in the future
It was kinda worthy it, I think I bought it for around the equivalent of 40€ nowadays.
^When you don't actually watch the video or know what they're doing.
Besides, who even has an N64 without an expansion pak anymore. They have one, I highly doubt he took out it to capture footage.
Um, what? Why don't you watch the video where John says that this video is not a full DF-Retro and the Turok 2 will be getting a full on treatment in the future when we both have time.
I don't know what the situation was, but it looks like the 240p (or whatever the standard res was on the game) mode to me.
I know it supposedly wasn't a deep dive, but they still talked about the N64 performance, so I'd think it'd be worth a mention.
I'm done complaining though. Great video. Definitely steered me towards the PC version for that sweet per-object blur.
Do the remakes have the old cheat codes in them? It'd be neat to see what pen and ink mode looks like now.
See, yet another video for something you should have done in this one.
I can't wait for your exhaustive coverage once PS5/Scarlett get announced, your video schedule must be something crazy.
Probably bc that's the RGB output mod or whichever one John uses.
I'm sure it's not getting a remaster, but I'd love to see an exploration of Turok 3.
I didn't play it back in the day. I don't know if I even knew it existed at the time, but playing it later in emulation, the way they were trying to ape Half-Life on the 64 was pretty fascinating.
I didn't play it back in the day. I don't know if I even knew it existed at the time, but playing it later in emulation, the way they were trying to ape Half-Life on the 64 was pretty fascinating.
The satisfying weapons made up for all the shortcomings. I do remember hating that cave level very much though, was it level 4?
this was my biggest disappointment from watching the video as had been looking forward to it, generally I find these good, but they flat out slated the N64 version as unplayable and never even mentioned the N64 ram expansion and the improvements it gave
Sure it didn't turn the N64 into a PC with a £300 vodoo graphics card in it, but Turok 2 was marketed clearly as being a game that benefitted from the ram pack
and for those defending this not as a usual digital foundry deep dive, normally these guys do the research and legwork, so sure maybe there wouldn't be time to do a comparison to the ram lack version, but at least mention it
found comparing the N64 to a top of the line voodoo card disingenuous also
I don't see regular comparisons of a base xbox one game vs a ultra settings at 4K on a 2080 generally (which would be a similar comparison for today's market)
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I remember buying the ram expansion just for this game. If memory serves it helped with Goldeneye too, even though it wasn't officially supported. Though that may have been placebo.
flawed game but had potential. It shouldn't have killed the franchise the way that it did, but counting that it bombed, wasn't finished and acclaim was just releasing turd after turd hurt their IP. Turok should be a AAA title, not a forgotten franchise.
The marine copycat Turok the 360 era didn't help Turok be unique anymore and the new indie game won't either. a shame.
Turok 08 actually did well at least. Bish said it managed to sell over 1 million copies, which isn't bad when you consider the timeframe and such that it came out and the state of Turok at the time. We would've had a sequel if not for Disney just ditching gaming (The first time they did, not the second lol).
I couldnt go back and play it now but as a kid i played the shit out of turok 2 on n64. Low frame rates were much more acceptable back then.
I think you are very much so missing the point of the video / misunderstanding us. John is going back and doing a deep dive and you will be very much so pleased then. Also, the exp Pack will not aid perf that much, and definitely not make it playable. As much as I would like that because I prefer n64 visuals over that og PC Port in terms of fog ramping and COLOUR. But John will Cover that all in the full retro on the game.this was my biggest disappointment from watching the video as had been looking forward to it, generally I find these good, but they flat out slated the N64 version as unplayable and never even mentioned the N64 ram expansion and the improvements it gave
Sure it didn't turn the N64 into a PC with a £300 vodoo graphics card in it, but Turok 2 was marketed clearly as being a game that benefitted from the ram pack
and for those defending this not as a usual digital foundry deep dive, normally these guys do the research and legwork, so sure maybe there wouldn't be time to do a comparison to the ram lack version, but at least mention it
found comparing the N64 to a top of the line voodoo card disingenuous also
I don't see regular comparisons of a base xbox one game vs a ultra settings at 4K on a 2080 generally (which would be a similar comparison for today's market)
Btw, we do compared ultra high end PC Version to low end Stuff all the time! We even put switch versions right next to Premiere console versions and the PC. It is kind of the thing we do at DF and it is not disengenuous, it is all about curiosity and comparison and a big reason people watch the channel!
You definitely should imo, the PC version is so so good and you will appreciate it. The game is so much better in the remaster ed Form, but all it's flaws then shine through now that the performance is at a good Level.
But still, the shotgun is frakking amazing in Turok 2, along with the mag60.
It actually looks better than I remember. Or perhaps it was the first game. All I remembered of Turok (on N64) was green stuff and grey fog. That's literally the image I get in my head whenever I hear the word Turok!
Wow, who rattled your cage?
Late to this thread (just found it with a search), but appreciate the work done on this, Dictator & Dark1x, great video! Some interesting notes from around the 3 min 25 sec mark:
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While the critics at the time of release (compare the reception: Turok 1 vs. Turok 2) seem to have responded pretty well to the N64 sequel overall, and it seems like Turok 2 was also a commercial success (apparently 1.4 million copies of the N64 version were shipped through January 1999, which would've been just a month after the game's release), certainly the game's frame rate is quite jarring (all the more jarring for anyone attempting to play the N64 version today), and in a way that often hinders gameplay.
One thing I'd mention in this connection (mentioned in previous posts here and here, sorry to be repetitive for folks who may have already read this stuff): I've noticed folks like Stephen Broumley (Lead Programmer on Turok 1 and Turok 2) and Darren Mitchell (Music Composer for Turok 1 and Turok 2) are still quite enthusiastic/passionate/forthcoming about their work on the Turok games (including the technical challenges presented by the N64 hardware), so seems like there's a good chance they'd jump at a chance to chat with John and/or Alex as part of the dedicated DF Retro video for Turok 2 (perhaps offering insight into the undisclosed priorities/trade-offs/decision-making that led to the well-known performance issues), if there's some mutually agreeable opportunity for you guys to chat in the near future.
For example, Stephen Broumley: https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/01/o...e-code-found-on-ancient-development-hardware/
That was Broumley jumping into the Youtube comments of a video back in January 2017. And looking at that Youtube comment thread now, I'm noticing that Broumley engaged and followed up with folks who replied to him within that thread with questions/comments (looks like he left 7 replies to different folks, most recently in December 2018).
So I feel like if he's keen even to engage with random Youtube comments, then he'd jump at the chance to be part of what is now (thanks to John's great work) a venerable institution (DF Retro). Just a thought! As I mentioned, music composer Darren Mitchell likewise seems pretty enthusiastic, in this interview: https://n64today.com/2017/03/05/darren-mitchell-interview-turok/
Incidentally, was cool to see Edward850 (Software & Netcode Engineer at Nightdive Studios, who worked on the remasters) chiming in, in various Turok threads at ResetEra:
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Great to hear! Incidentally, I wonder how the devs would reflect on the behind-the-scenes development process/decision-making process for Turok 2, if they were asked about the game's severe performance problems on N64.
While the critics at the time of release (compare the reception: Turok 1 vs. Turok 2) seem to have responded pretty well to the N64 sequel overall, and it seems like Turok 2 was also a commercial success (apparently 1.4 million copies of the N64 version were shipped through January 1999, which would've been just a month after the game's release), certainly the game's frame rate is quite jarring (all the more jarring for anyone attempting to play the N64 version today), and in a way that often hinders gameplay.
One thing I'd mention in this connection (mentioned in previous posts here and here, sorry to be repetitive for folks who may have already read this stuff): I've noticed folks like Stephen Broumley (Lead Programmer on Turok 1 and Turok 2) and Darren Mitchell (Music Composer for Turok 1 and Turok 2) are still quite enthusiastic/passionate/forthcoming about their work on the Turok games (including the technical challenges presented by the N64 hardware), so seems like there's a good chance they'd jump at a chance to chat with John and/or Alex as part of the dedicated DF Retro video for Turok 2 (perhaps offering insight into the undisclosed priorities/trade-offs/decision-making that led to the well-known performance issues), if there's some mutually agreeable opportunity for you guys to chat in the near future.
For example, Stephen Broumley: https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/01/o...e-code-found-on-ancient-development-hardware/
That was Broumley jumping into the Youtube comments of a video back in January 2017. And looking at that Youtube comment thread now, I'm noticing that Broumley engaged and followed up with folks who replied to him within that thread with questions/comments (looks like he left 7 replies to different folks, most recently in December 2018).
So I feel like if he's keen even to engage with random Youtube comments, then he'd jump at the chance to be part of what is now (thanks to John's great work) a venerable institution (DF Retro). Just a thought! As I mentioned, music composer Darren Mitchell likewise seems pretty enthusiastic, in this interview: https://n64today.com/2017/03/05/darren-mitchell-interview-turok/
Incidentally, was cool to see Edward850 (Software & Netcode Engineer at Nightdive Studios, who worked on the remasters) chiming in, in various Turok threads at ResetEra: