Kind of funny Sony are preventing people from stacking and locking themselves in to the service. Good guy Sony.
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DF: PlayStation Plus PS1/PS2/PSP Classic Games Emulators Tested - And They're Not Good Enough
- Thread starter Kinthey
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They are making it easy to pass on this service. I'll wait until we see more, but it's starting off pretty rocky.
I disagree that this is the bare minimum they could've done. PS1 Classics on PS3 was bare minimum, straight 240p with an optional blur filter and no other features, lol. It was pretty much the same with the PS1 Classic Console IIrc, except you got PAL releases in all regions too (I really hope they don't do that again here, but who knows at this point). This actually offers improved resolution, save states, rewind, Trophies, etc. I honestly didn't even expect to get any of that, frankly. They actually went beyond my expectations for this, which were extremely low, admittedly (I basically was just expecting what we got on PS3 and the PS1 Classic, lol). Obviously there is a lot of room for improvement, but it absolutely could've been worse or had less features, although admittedly the PAL stuff is baffling at this point.
While that is true, that was a long time ago now, and the PS Classic did have PAL releases in every region. So we'll just have to wait and see. :/
Yup, same. This actually exceeded my expectations, lol. Frankly, before this was announced, I honestly expected to never see PS1 games released on a modern PlayStation ever again.
*knocks on wood* never had a problem and never really gets all that hot. im v. careful with it
Looks as if they have some work to do. It appears more people appreciate and wanted backwards compatibility than Jim Ryan initially thought and publicly stated.
The PS Classic isn't the best comparison to use for this because that was something they actually had to sell world wide so there could very well have been more complications with how the game selection had to be made there (there were only two variants of it made with one for Japan (and a few other Asian regions) and one for the rest of the world). There was even speculation that they may have specifically picked PAL versions because they performed closer to their target frame rates with the bad emulator they used in the system, which is definitely not going to be the case with this new emulator.
I think it would be extremely surprising if once this launches in Japan and America that they get the PAL versions and not their original NTSC versions (see the reasons I explained in another thread for detail on what evidence exists that I think suggests this will be the case).
I don't understand why they got rid of mad games from psnow to psplus what the reason behind this?
Feels like they weren't nearly harsh enough on the emulation being this is an expensive service you have to pay for to acquire, since not all games are available to be bought separately. The psp literally just having the same options for scaling as the ps1 because they did a 1 size fits all emulator is hilarious, along with them adding EXTRA WORK frameblending instead of just uploading the NTSC roms as options.
Also the PS2 emulation needs its own video, he skimmed over the whole thing and actually feel like he was constrained for time, the jak games you get are just the PS2 on PS4 games from that failed initiative years ago. The Jak games in particular were worse than the ps3 versions and worse than the ps2 versions which he did sorta mention, but he could've added that we know what ps2 games are coming to the NA service and what problems that might entail. Games like The Warriors and Okage shadow king have severe graphical glitches that never got fixed along with some other games, so simply having a PS5 you are getting a broken product that you paid for.
The service IS launched, it's all here, now it's just a waiting game for them to justify having to pay for it. Who knows what if any issues will be fixed by next month when it's rolled out to the rest of the world.
Also the PS2 emulation needs its own video, he skimmed over the whole thing and actually feel like he was constrained for time, the jak games you get are just the PS2 on PS4 games from that failed initiative years ago. The Jak games in particular were worse than the ps3 versions and worse than the ps2 versions which he did sorta mention, but he could've added that we know what ps2 games are coming to the NA service and what problems that might entail. Games like The Warriors and Okage shadow king have severe graphical glitches that never got fixed along with some other games, so simply having a PS5 you are getting a broken product that you paid for.
The service IS launched, it's all here, now it's just a waiting game for them to justify having to pay for it. Who knows what if any issues will be fixed by next month when it's rolled out to the rest of the world.
Why not just hire people behind the third party emulators that actually work well or license them? Or provide the ntcs Versions?
I'm just going to copy/paste the comment I left on SIFTD for this.
I think it'll be interesting to see how much work Playstation dedicates to this and how much money they invest in making it better.
I think it'll be interesting to see how much work Playstation dedicates to this and how much money they invest in making it better.
The reality is it's not a PS Plus revamp. It's a disguised price hike for PS Now. That's all Plus Premium is. PS Now at a higher price that includes PS Plus whether you want it or not.
I very much hope you are right on this. Your reasoning makes sense, so it could be the PS Classic Console was just a weird one off thing with having PAL titles in NTSC territories. We'll see soon, but here's hoping.
Yeah, there is the possibility things could improve as well. Xbox BC had many improvements over time (there weren't even any enhanced titles prior to X1X IIrc), and more recently, Nintendo greatly improved their N64 NSO offering and emulation, so Sony certainly could do the same. Whether or not they will is the big question at the moment. After all, we have PS2 titles included in this service at launch that are outright broken on PS5, and have been for nearly two years now. As I have said before, I think a lot of this comes down to how invested Sony will be in the Classic games, and the PS+ Premium Tier's success, especially long-term.
It's clear that the emulation is less than ideal. But damn... the selection of classic games is abysmal. Why isn't there more?
this. if all you really want/need is ps+, you're basically good to go as is...
Yes! PSP games on Vita look off to me solely because of the absence of good old PSP 3000 scanlines and interlacing artifacts.
Only Sony knows why they would expect people to be willing to pay the most money for a lousy selection of classic games running on a crappy emulator.
Lol, why even bother?
Lol, why even bother?
I mean there were like 5 other models of psp without scanlines and interlacing but go on
Yep but the 3000 was the one I used the most because of the color gamut. That's why I specified "to me".
Same thing with the Playstation Classic. Feels like they just have some intern with an old thumbdrive of roms he downloaded off Napster years ago who they're relying on for all their legacy efforts. 😕
I do wonder how many people there were who subscribed to PS Now but not PS+. It must be quite a small number if Sony felt it was worth fucking them over to launch this new thing... and I haven't really seen much pushback to this specific element of the service.
But you're right, it does seem to be an amalgamation of the two services, with some half-arsed emulation thrown on top to give it something new.
Yeah we had NTSC here on PS3.
I've never played or bought a 50hz game and won't start now lol. Sounds very subpar with the FPS being lower like…whyyyy
For me personally if they just had done NTSC versions I would be fine with what we got since I don't really play around with alternate modes, filters, etc. The combination of the issues with those as well as PAL versions just makes it so no one is happy with these.
Because the whole world doesn't speak English I presume.
I wonder if there even might be issues surrounding ratings - if you are selling a videogame, they have to be rated by PEGI or whoever in europe, there may be concessions for games already rated under BBFC or other local content rating agencies, but releasing a different version of the game may cause issues?
I guess we will have to wait for it to release in places closer to home, the listings may be controlled differently.
PS3 era Sony was goddamn amazing. PS3 era Sony was the most pro consumer they've ever been, and created so much value. They were innovative and creative in the right ways. I'd give anything to have PS3 era Sony back.
Ps2 had hardware backwards compatibility via the sound chip (spu2).
The PS2 cpu and PS1 cpu were both used for sound in PS2 games (SPU1+SPU2) which is why the switch to deckard later broke some PS2 games.
Also the R3000A was used as an IOP so it's not quite right to say it is just a sound chip.
Yeah I was doing more reading and it seems like all models from SCPH-75000 don't have hardware emulation (or at least not as good). If only digital foundry existed in ps2 times it would be easier to fully confirm.
In any event I stand partially corrected.
I agree with you, but they were really only that way after being humbled at the start of its generation.
Another great vid from DF. So many weird design choices from Sony on these games... I still cant get on board with using PAL versions of games, and now they are introducing weird ghosting to them... I do hope they eventually fix these, but I wont hold my breath.
The PAL version of Ape Escape was mono language (like many games with localized dub). The PAL version on PS4/PS5 is only in English so there is no reason to bother with the PAL version anyway... and the new "patch fix" is beyond awful. They really have no clue about any of this...
I read the first part and I was Ok they corrcetd some stuff at least then I read the rest...
I really don't know what their technicians are doing while the third party emulators are doing wonders. Why don't they buy them and end the story and suffering.
It's baffling how behind the curve all the official retro releases are, when it comes to CRT filter adoption. I can't think of one offical retro re-relase that features a good CRT filter. Even the Capcom Arcade which is probably the best of all official releases when it comes to this, still only has curvature with scanlines, but no other CRT effects like RGB grid, phosphor bloom etc.
What you can download now is the same thing that subscribers will get when it comes to PS2 games. PS2 games emulated on PS4 always got some resolution bump through a technique Sony called "Uprendering" which is something half-way between simple upscaling, and true rendering in higher resolution. It's a weird technique that's not quite as good as true higher resolution rendering in terms of image sharpness, but it's guaranteed to not have rendering issues with any game IIRC. I'm not sure but it's possible that these games did have a bit better resolution on PS4 Pro (and PS5) than they did on original PS4. Also, I'm pretty sure they did benefit from the performance boost afforded by PS4 Pro and PS5.
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Well, it's definitely helpful to know that Xbox wasn't always as good as they are now in the backwards compatible departmen. I believe Nintendo was the same. Like everyone gotta start somewhere, right?
What problems is PSP emulator showing that it didn't have before (especially since only one game was 'tested')?
If you are referring to the mixed-up menu-options, those could well behave exactly the same with the original PSP emulator - it's just options that scale the output (ie. not part of the emulation backend).
The only issue PS1 has (so far, no one reported anything else) is mishandling of PAL content - but that's again less an emulation issue and more someone not understanding video-output (they really should just allow PS4/5 to output 50hz games like PS3/PSP did, which would side-step the entire problem).
Frankly the real disappointment is that PS2 offering hasn't been updated in any way.