Their entire gaming segment was $11.5 billion.
PSN alone beat them. (no retail, hardware sales)
For the record, I am saying they will both take a $100 loss.
Yeah, 9-10 TFLOPs are much more in line with something anyone should realistically expect.
A 12 TFLOP RDNA GPU would be much faster than just 2x XBX
I asked Microsoft for clarification on its current-gen multiplier comparisons with Series X, but the firm declined to commit in the here and now to a precise figure. However, our information is that the GPU is indeed 12TF and what are almost certainly well-sourced leaks from Windows Central back this up.
This has to be the weakest console reveal ever. Microsoft hasn't captured any momentum this week, I barely see anyone talking about it outside hardcore circles, meanwhile local stores in Europe are already taking in pre-orders and advertising the PS5 even though we don't know anything about it, not even the price. I pre-ordered mine months ago lol.
Sony need do nothing, power is not the only thing that won them this gen, it was the games and the expectation of it (remember late last gen Sony was pumping out amazing titles after another). Hellblade 2 is cool but it's no God of War.
its not rdna 2.0 in nextgen, its rdna 1.0+ some of 2.0s fetures like vrs ect.What we need to know is how RDNA, (1.0) at least, compares with old GCN used in the 2013 consoles. That was GCN 1.0 or at best, GCN 1.1
Then speculate on GCN 1.0 / 1.1 vs RDNA 2.0
You can't really say that for sure. If anything,it's much more likely to be a RDNA second gen part due to the rumored sheer size of the GPU.its not rdna 2.0 in nextgen, its rdna 1.0+ some of 2.0s fetures like vrs ect.
are we certain? I always assumed MS's wording implied RDNA 2its not rdna 2.0 in nextgen, its rdna 1.0+ some of 2.0s fetures like vrs ect.
This has to be the weakest console reveal ever. Microsoft hasn't captured any momentum this week, I barely see anyone talking about it outside hardcore circles, meanwhile local stores in Europe are already taking in pre-orders and advertising the PS5 even though we don't know anything about it, not even the price. I pre-ordered mine months ago lol.
Sony need do nothing, power is not the only thing that won them this gen, it was the games and the expectation of it (remember late last gen Sony was pumping out amazing titles after another). Hellblade 2 is cool but it's no God of War.
Very well explained.Which makes it all the more impressive that what they're hearing is 12TF RDNA.
TGAs had 45 million unique viewers this year, 15 million more than the Oscar's. The Series X reveal video was #2 on Trending in a number of YouTube regions and reaction videos filled in a number of other trending spots. I'd say that's a pretty great reveal.
As for Sony's launch, let's not forget that their dominant performance was largely due to the power gap, price point, and failure to communicate the way that Xbox One's digital-only vision would work. That's not to say that Sony clearly had the momentum coming into this gen, but a stronger showing from MS would've likely mitigated this 3:1 sales lead.
While God of War is great, so is Hellblade. There's obvious quality titles on both sides. While I'd say Sony's studios on the whole tend to deliver a consistently higher level of quality, trying to take swipes at a title that hasn't even launched yet is a bit premature.
I agree that people underestimate what Sony is capable of. I guess the big question is, that new investment and support for the Xbox division that is making the whole thing possible with new studios, consoles, projects... how far does it actually go? I guess we're a few months away from finding out.I beg to differ. Sony's gaming division is a lot more important to sony than Xbox is to MS. I was looking at their quarterly profits and sony posts around $3 billion in profits every quarter while MS $10 billion. yes, MS can eat a $100 in losses but so can Sony.
a $100 loss on 15 million consoles sold in the first year is $1.5 billion. thats roughly $400 million every quarter. Big enough that they cant hide it from investors, but small enough to show investors thats its a long term investment.
keep in mind, playstation's digital revenue dwarfs both ms and nintendo. at $12 billion a year from PSN sales alone, they are more than MS and Nintendo's online revenue combined. Everyone talks about valve's 30% digital cut but Sony heavily relies on third party sales. they simply cannot afford to give up what is essentially free money from third party sales and PS+ subs.
they will do everything in their power to cut the power gap and if need be, take an additional loss to come under MS. Literally $12 billion in revenue is riding on it. whats an extra $1.5 billion?
I remember that shit. Navi was supposedly exclusive to PS5. Makes me laugh and cringe to this day.I remember the days when the next-gen thread thought the Sony co-developing Navi fluff piece meant Microsoft would be using old Polaris chips for the XSX. Goes to show how far off projections can be.
The thinking was, if Microsoft couldn't use Navi, they'd be using Vega instead. Polaris was already used in Project Scorpio / Xbox One X.I remember the days when the next-gen thread thought the Sony co-developing Navi fluff piece meant Microsoft would be using old Polaris chips for the XSX. Goes to show how far off projections can be.
After it was clear it wasn't Polaris those people started pushing that it would be Vega based... lol.I remember the days when the next-gen thread thought the Sony co-developing Navi fluff piece meant Microsoft would be using old Polaris chips for the XSX. Goes to show how far off projections can be.
Good times... lolAfter it was clear it wasn't Polaris those people started pushing that it would be Vega based... lol.
You in yo feelings bro?This has to be the weakest console reveal ever. Microsoft hasn't captured any momentum this week, I barely see anyone talking about it outside hardcore circles, meanwhile local stores in Europe are already taking in pre-orders and advertising the PS5 even though we don't know anything about it, not even the price. I pre-ordered mine months ago lol.
Sony need do nothing, power is not the only thing that won them this gen, it was the games and the expectation of it (remember late last gen Sony was pumping out amazing titles after another). Hellblade 2 is cool but it's no God of War.
This has to be the weakest console reveal ever. Microsoft hasn't captured any momentum this week, I barely see anyone talking about it outside hardcore circles, meanwhile local stores in Europe are already taking in pre-orders and advertising the PS5 even though we don't know anything about it, not even the price. I pre-ordered mine months ago lol.
Sony need do nothing, power is not the only thing that won them this gen, it was the games and the expectation of it (remember late last gen Sony was pumping out amazing titles after another). Hellblade 2 is cool but it's no God of War.
This is something else, no-one but the entire industry are talking about Series X, but your friends preorders of PS5 means it's a failed reveal. Love how your store means all of Europe too lol.This has to be the weakest console reveal ever. Microsoft hasn't captured any momentum this week, I barely see anyone talking about it outside hardcore circles, meanwhile local stores in Europe are already taking in pre-orders and advertising the PS5 even though we don't know anything about it, not even the price. I pre-ordered mine months ago lol.
Sony need do nothing, power is not the only thing that won them this gen, it was the games and the expectation of it (remember late last gen Sony was pumping out amazing titles after another). Hellblade 2 is cool but it's no God of War.
Agreed 100%!Get Lockhart out at $200 so everyone upgrades and get people off of the OG Xbox One as soon as possible. That thing needs to be dropped immediately.
Their entire gaming segment was $11.5 billion.
PSN alone beat them. (no retail, hardware sales)
For the record, I am saying they will both take a $100 loss.
Get Lockhart out at $200 so everyone upgrades and get people off of the OG Xbox One as soon as possible. That thing needs to be dropped immediately.
Get Lockhart out at $200 so everyone upgrades and get people off of the OG Xbox One as soon as possible. That thing needs to be dropped immediately.
Sony's mobile games is from Aniplex which is a Sony Music Segment. The Games & Network Segment is separate.are we sure that sony gacha game that's #1 in mobile revenue isn't included in there or something? if not, what sony segment is it's revenue in?
yes, Fate is by Sony Musicare we sure that sony gacha game that's #1 in mobile revenue isn't included in there or something? if not, what sony segment is it's revenue in?
I don't think anyone at MS knew exactly how it will work lolI wonder if MS will bring back the family sharing thing they announced at E3 2013. Can't remember exactly how it worked but I remember thinking I liked the sound of it.
well, PS4 and One hardware was shit in 2013 and not better than what was available at that time
Also, the important thing to keep in mind with both Sony and MS's revenue is a lot of it has to be paid back out to publishers, as this includes all PSN and Live game and content sales.are we sure that sony gacha game that's #1 in mobile revenue isn't included in there or something? if not, what sony segment is it's revenue in?
anyways since ps5 outsold xbox 2.5: 1, yeah PSN revenue doing that should be the case.
Maybe because they were based on upcoming 2013 tech?
By the time these consoles come out there would already be new hardware in the market that's better then 2019 hardware and most definitely better then these consoles.
This HAS to be sarcasm...This has to be the weakest console reveal ever. Microsoft hasn't captured any momentum this week, I barely see anyone talking about it outside hardcore circles, meanwhile local stores in Europe are already taking in pre-orders and advertising the PS5 even though we don't know anything about it, not even the price. I pre-ordered mine months ago lol.
Sony need do nothing, power is not the only thing that won them this gen, it was the games and the expectation of it (remember late last gen Sony was pumping out amazing titles after another). Hellblade 2 is cool but it's no God of War.
Microsoft back on their grind. No more media bullshit box, to hold them back. A gaming focus device, to give Sony a run for their money.
anyways since ps5 outsold xbox 2.5: 1, yeah PSN revenue doing that should be the case.
No. Even the best case scenario for MS would put that a few years out.Shouldn't we see Xbox catching up with Gamepass and stuff this year?
Our measurements for the first-gen PlayStation 3 currently top the power consumption charts at 209W during gameplay. Based on what we know of Navi GPUs from the existing, seemingly less capable Radeon RX 5700-series, not to mention the size of the Series X casing, I wouldn't be surprised to see the new console move beyond 300W. With that in mind, assurances from Microsoft that the machine has a similar acoustic profile to Xbox One X is very, very welcome.
In some ways, isn't the PS3's CPU more powerful than the PS4's?It's mainly due to the fact that AMD was the only company making APUs and their only CPU that fit the power envelope for the PS4 and Xbox One at the time was Jaguar, a netbook CPU. The GPUs and memory shook out as expected based on ease of use and total over available resources (aka the PS4 was all around better) but the CPU has really hobbled this gen.
In some ways, isn't the PS3's CPU more powerful than the PS4's?
the One X was around 175W. the Pro is under thatWhat were Xbox One X and and PS4 Pro? I seem to remember the original launch PS4 was about 150W under full load.
If your a console warrior this is how you might see it i guessMatt is like the Debbie downer for xbox, any joy, he has to input negativity. the cboat of this gen.
I don't even know what I've been down about in this thread.Matt is like the Debbie downer for xbox, any joy, he has to input negativity. the cboat of this gen.
long history bro, goes back to old site.