ms has a net worth of 1 trillion. They seem focused on the digital service future so I doubt it's even a concern.
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DF: Microsoft has developed a console GPU that is more performant and more feature-rich than any Navi part AMD has shipped in 2019
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ms has a net worth of 1 trillion. They seem focused on the digital service future so I doubt it's even a concern.
This was a great article. Nothing new mind you, but great. Curious if SSD NVME will mean games will he plug and play if you get disc. That's what he suggests here. I doubt that's the case given current day patching but it would be interesting
If you read the article he's talking about 12tf of performance, but that's because these new GPUs are more efficient. So the actual tflops number is more likely to around 9tf.
If the Series X was 12 actual tflops Microsoft would be singing this fact as loudly as possible. There is a reason they haven't mentioned a number folks.
I don't think we'll need a mid gen upgrade this time around. Outside of the 8GB of ram, the PS4 and XB1 were pretty damn weak when launched. This Xbox is not remotely weak. It's not using a sub-laptop CPU. It's not a $150 gpu. It's high end across the board.
That comment is kind of a contradiction to the other claim...
I'm personally not seeing the ingenuity in their designs. Surfaces are tablets with foldable stands and keyboard attachments (been done before) and the XSX is a monolith... I admit, it's a nice looking monolith but that's hardly worthy of the praise you seem to be giving him.
Technology moves forward and who knows what it will be like in 4-5 years time.
Plus according to Sony's own words, the reason why the Pro was released was to help slow the drift of users to PCs over the cours of a console generation. So they may still hold this philosophy.
What on earth are you on about? I'm pointing out that saying something releasing in the future is better than something released in the past is a stupid comment to make. I'd expect it to be, if it wasn't then, well, it's clearly shit.
Maybe read things thoroughly before replying.
I just read it again. Richard is saying he's hearing it's 12tf from sources, but that makes the math very hard to make sense of, as AMD doesn't currently have a chip that would make sense of this.
Richard mentions a 9tf chip that performs like a 12tf chip from prior gens as a possibility, and I believe that is the most likely outcome here. I would love to be wrong, as I'd love to see a 12tf actual console, but it just seems unlikely.
What nuanced topic? We know AMD will release new and better gpus in 2020 and the new consoles are on the tail end of 2020, it makes sense that it takes advantage of the newest tech possible be it a newer node or a refined architecture or even both.
This ain't Nintendo.
That'll be news to many IT departments then, or consumers looking to buy personal devices.
I don't mean that it's been a failure for Microsoft. I just mean that I know several people working in IT that would never touch those products again after the number of issues they've had compared to products from Dell and Lenovo.
The best hardware designer in the world, you say?
You'd still have to install the game.
They will not. Time consoles arrive this will be the power of a Rtx 3060. Nvidia is going to 7nm on summer too. Jump will be huge.
That's a good point. Regardless, seems the consumer will be happy either way.
Put an OG Xbox 1 next to a PS4. Then put an X1X next to a PS4 Pro and the difference Panay's design choices have made to Xbox really should be impressive to anybody.
I'm so fucking excited about both next gen consoles. Someone made a thread about next gen being the best and BRO/SIS/ I AGREE WITH YOU SO MUCH. I'm excited to play JRPGs on PS5 and every other game on Series X. Exciting times ahead. My only concern tho is storage. I can't see myself surviving with just 1 TB and SSDs are expensive as fuck.
Holy shit, I thought it was the girl from GoT and then I realized it's, uhm, something else.
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The girl is the PS5 and the man Series X.
They will not surprass 2080 ti. Probably x will be 11 tflops and will be on par with a 2080. But 2080 ti is 25-30% more in perf than a 2080.
And when consoles arrive a 3060 will have the perf of a 2080.
I only think that was necessary because the base systems were so weak. They were out of date years before they were even released. Especially on the CPU side.
Love everyone is making assumptions on PS5 being despite the fact we don't know jack shit is out ps5 specs. I know we are hungry for info but pls be patient.
As if i wasnt hyped for next gen already, cant wait to see what direction everyone heads in after full reveals
Nvidia ain't that generous
Everytime I hear more about the Series X, I start thinking my $500 box prediction is too low
Fair point, but there is a limit on how much dollar per console they can eat.
I may be remembering this wrong since I see Panos mentioned here a lot in relation to the new Xbox, but I seem to remember that during E3 that either Phil Spencer or Major Nelson got asked whether Panos was designing it. His answer was that it was done within the Xbox team, the same that also did the new Series 2 Elite controller.
Again maybe I remember it completely wrong, but has Panos been confirmed to be involved?
Again maybe I remember it completely wrong, but has Panos been confirmed to be involved?
I mean the same would have to hold true for PS5 then. You can't have it both ways.
It isn't in contradiction. Baffling decisions like using an outdated GPU in the first Surface Studio and using an AMD CPU in their new 15 inch Surface Laptop.
Aside that, the Surface Studio, Surface Book, Surface X and Surface Pro line are a marvel of engineering. and they turned in excellent work on the Xbox One X.
Yes, OPs avatar, clearly a biased user
PlayStation is winning me over thanks to their belief in console generations
So, I’ve been primarily an Xbox guy since 2002, owning only the first PlayStation in the 90s and a PS4 Pro since the beginning of 2017. Truth to be told, I had more fun this gen with PlayStation exclusives than anything on Xbox. Cool, we all know how hard the beginning of this gen was for...
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Rtx 20xx is a crap series and have a Rtx 2060 on par with 1080. The jump from 12nm to 7nm will be huge 3060 will beat rtx2080 by 10% book my reply.
Maybe, but if the specs are true for the XSX then I don't see Sony going that far. MS can afford to go this hard on a premium console because they also have the Lockhart coming out. Sony doesn't seem to have any interest in doing a less powerful console in addition to their main one. MS could probably sell this at $600 for enthusiasts with the Lockhart around $300 for the more casual audience.
Ah, but you forget the critical thing that this is AMD we're talking about. Their biggest, flagship GPUs being prepped for a H1/mid year launch will be set to rival the 2 year old 2080Ti.
There's no way a GPU as powerful as the best AMD has to offer for Desktop In 2020 gets into the next gen consoles. Power requirement and price will see to that.
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Not valid anymore ;)Yes, OPs avatar, clearly a biased user
PlayStation is winning me over thanks to their belief in console generations
So, I’ve been primarily an Xbox guy since 2002, owning only the first PlayStation in the 90s and a PS4 Pro since the beginning of 2017. Truth to be told, I had more fun this gen with PlayStation exclusives than anything on Xbox. Cool, we all know how hard the beginning of this gen was for...
He overseas all hardware, but doesn't out right design them. I'm sure gives his input and what not.
And I've just pointed out that it isn't a 'stupid' assumption to make since we're unlikely to get a better GPU than 2018's 2080Ti in the next gen consoles.
I thought that was very clearly stated?
Xsx is not the console that you used to know. It's a micro form factor top of the line PC, even compared to 2020 builds.
You expected Xsx to be 300W TDP. That's equivalent to a 400W build in the PC space since APUs and console mobos are much more efficient. 400W builds can be very high end.
I think whatever performance range 2080TI builds falls into, Xsx will be around the bottom of that.
I thought the PS5 GPU is slightly more powerful than the Anaconda GPU according to Klee etc? So PS5 even higher than 12tf? Not that I can pretend to keep up with that insane thread.
AMD must be launching some nice high end PC GPUs next year then (albeit so will Nvidia!)
AMD must be launching some nice high end PC GPUs next year then (albeit so will Nvidia!)
Reducing it to that simplicity is like saying an Aston Martin DB5 is just a card with wheels and a rounded hood.
i can see a niche market for it as super premium but actually quite cheap PC, i'd buy it.
they have their mass market device with the lockhart.
To be on par with rtx 2080 ti(13.75 on paper but 15tf on game) you would need 16.5 rdna flops
To be on par on paper around 14.5 it is not gonna happen...