Thank you for asking. I'm currently upgrading some things and it made me rethink some upgrade decisions.
I just hope I didn't write to much nonsense.
I have no issue with DF making this video, or really the content, but I'll still add:
There is not such thing as truly future proofing in PC-gaming, especially not at the dawn of a new console generation.
Still, if you are going to try to future proof, you probably shouldn't buy any GPU that is currently avaiable. Not because a 2080TI won't hold up, but because better and cheaper alternatives will be avaible by the end of the year.
I'm not accusing anyone of shilling and if you read my posts my criticisms were towards Nvidia and not Digital Foundry.I you want to accuse them of shilling, please be up front so we can address that directly.
FWIW, I've got a couple of 1TB WD Blue SN550 NVMe SSDs. Using an x570 motherboard though. They seemed like the best value in terms of price vs. performance, although I almost went for Sabrent Rocket which a bunch of people also recommend online. Just slightly more expensive due to better speeds.
Not a requirement, but Shadow tactics: blades of shogun installed somewhere around 20000 files onto the hard drive, effectively make a SSD top recommendation to avoid small stutters in that game (even if it's mostly turn-based)Who said it is?
Mark Cerny said that the PS5 will have an SSD faster than anything available on PC last year.
You know, before the x570 with PCIe gen4.
Also Star Citizen is a pyramid scheme ;)
You're also not judging the video on its own merits. Is that fair to say?I'm not accusing anyone of shilling and if you read my posts my criticisms were towards Nvidia and not Digital Foundry.
We all gotta eat, but that doesn't mean the way big companies advertise isn't above criticism.
Everyone should treat content like this as just for fun. It's fun to think about what hardware to buy today that will be killing software in the next generation. Please, PLEASE, do not actually try to "future proof" your PC today (or ever. Just buy hardware when you need it to play a game.)
I'm not saying the optimal time to buy a 2000 series card hasn't already passed, at least with the higher end ones, but if a 2080Ti isn't enough then the 3000 series isn't going to help the average person much. I haven't seen anything suggesting the 3060 and 3070, usually the two most popular power/price tiers, are going to outperforming that GPU by much if at all.
Ignoring that it's not really a good idea to just target an arbitrary framerate without having any resolution or graphical settings in mind.
video card: $3002070/2080 - £500-700
Ryzen 6/8c - £190-250
16gb 3000mhz - £90
X570/550 - £180
PCIe 4.0 ssd - £150
Case - £50-200
Bare in mind this is targeting console resolutions.
(A 2060 will be more than enough to keep up with these consoles at 1080p)
Just to compete with next gen consoles and people expect a £349 price point?
Am I in court? I want my lawyer!You're also not judging the video on its own merits. Is that fair to say?
This video doesn't have the best timing, i got no issue with sponsored content, but it seems Nvidia just wants to clear the last of their Turing stock just like AMD is happy for people to buy a few more Ryzen 2's before 3 comes along.
Everyone should treat content like this as just for fun. It's fun to think about what hardware to buy today that will be killing software in the next generation. Please, PLEASE, do not actually try to "future proof" your PC today (or ever. Just buy hardware when you need it to play a game.)
Mesh Shaders is also quite important.Despite it being sponsored by Nvidia, this still comes across as a typical Rich video to me. He recommends people buy an Nvidia GPU if putting together a machine right now, but that makes sense because they're the only ones currently supporting raytracing. He does also mention AMD will have their own cards coming later in the year, and obviously everything CPU related has nothing to do with Nvidia, so 🤷♂️
EDIT: It's also quite possible they agreed to the sponsorship because Nvidia's literally the only one option for building a "future-proof" PC. So like, if you're going to recommend them regardless, might as well get paid for it lol
Yeah, I imagine NVidia is reaching out to content makers to help move their current turing GPUs before Ampere and AMD's new GPUs hit the market.This video doesn't have the best timing, i got no issue with sponsored content, but it seems Nvidia just wants to clear the last of their Turing stock just like AMD is happy for people to buy a few more Ryzen 2's before 3 comes along.
Yep that's what I did last year, I'm confident in my CPU being just fine for a while but no way am I upgrading my GPU until RDNA2 and Ampere are out.Yeah, I imagine NVidia is reaching out to content makers to help move their current turing GPUs before Ampere and AMD's new GPUs hit the market.
If you're going to buy stuff right now, go ahead and get a snazzy pci4 Ryzen 3000 series setup... and keep your existing GPU for a few more months.
Yeah, I imagine NVidia is reaching out to content makers to help move their current turing GPUs before Ampere and AMD's new GPUs hit the market.
If you're going to buy stuff right now, go ahead and get a snazzy pci4 Ryzen 3000 series setup... and keep your existing GPU for a few more months.
This video doesn't have the best timing, i got no issue with sponsored content, but it seems Nvidia just wants to clear the last of their Turing stock just like AMD is happy for people to buy a few more Ryzen 2's before 3 comes along.
Well, they obviously want people to try and build their future-proof PCs now, before AMD can release their next line of GPUs that also do ray tracing. It doesn't matter to them that now is actually a stupid time to build a future proof PC.
Again, the vid doesn't say now is a good time to buy, and it doesn't recommend any specific GPUs, it gives a series of guidelines on what he considers the minimum bar you should aim for if you're shopping with an eye towards the future, emphasizing feature sets and upgrade-ability. He explicitly mentions that new GPUs are expected later in the year, and states that users should not feel like they need to rush out and upgrade even for the next ~12 months because the crossgen period will mean that their computers, even not matching PS5/XSX, will be amply supported for the time being. The video's recommendations wouldn't even change once Ampere and RDNA 2.0 hit, because all he puts in the recommendations is "something with DX12 ultimate features, and at least 8GB VRAM". Which is very sensible advice that will apply equally to Turing, Ampere and RDNA 2.0 GPUs.
Obviously Nvidia would like you to go out and buy all their top spec stuff right now. But this isn't a fluffy marketing vid, nor is it a bad thing to release right now. People are constantly buying new stuff and saying "wait 3-5 months to buy" may be applicable to some people, but it won't be to all. Being aware of what the bar is for next gen stuff is very helpful and it will still be helpful once those launch.
No.
Game loads do not directly mirror the actual speed increases of these drives. They decrease, but not proportionally. This is because they have other loading bottlenecks like CPU processing / decompression etc. Future games that are designed around console SSDs should see them take much better advantage of PC NVME storage.
I also have 5820K and I don't think it future proofed anything. I just bought it because it had more cores and cost wasn't that much greater than mainstream platform at the time.There are rare occassions when it makes sense to future proof your computer. I bought my 5820k specifically because it was 6 cores and would last me a long time. If I'd gone for a 4770k I'd probably have upgraded long before now. But yeah it's not often that it's worthwhile. My plan is to ride it out until we hit DDR5.
Not really sure why you want to add this point. They define what they consider "future proofing", and it is very much not "the entire console generation" or other ridiculous stance, it's simply keeping options open enough to have an upgrade path that isn't excessively expense to work with. Equally, they point out all the caveats of "future proofing" each component where it is relevant - eg suggesting between 2070 Super to 2080 for those wanting to upgrade now, but also pointing out the next cycle of graphics cards anticipated to drop before the consoles even launch etc
It sounds like for consoles at least they are gonna make older games load much faster too, whereas I can't imagine PC getting the same kinds of speed boosts if it can't already do it.
I also have 5820K and I don't think it future proofed anything. I just bought it because it had more cores and cost wasn't that much greater than mainstream platform at the time.
Nowadays 5820K is outdated, just not as much as all those 4 core CPUs.
Yeah 5820K is certainly still good for 60FPS gaming. Not sure about high refresh rate though, I think it would start bottle-necking.It came out in 2014 and at the 4.5ghz mine is OC'd to it runs every game I throw at it at well over 60fps even 6 years later.
Right, and I do not diasagree with the video in a vacum, beyond the point that future proofing now is a bad idea, and that most people should probably wait.
If you must upgrade now, then it is good advice. The point being that you shouldn't upgrade now.
I understand that they are not looking for a system that will last the whole console generation, but buying now rather than this fall will - in all likelyhood - result in paying much more for less.
This video doesn't have the best timing, i got no issue with sponsored content, but it seems Nvidia just wants to clear the last of their Turing stock just like AMD is happy for people to buy a few more Ryzen 2's before 3 comes along.
Crazy that these new consoles are sporting 2070 Super and 2080 GPU equivalents. Was expecting something like a 2060. Big jump.
I think it just seems crazy now because the successors haven't launched yet. The RTX series will be a little over 2 years old when these consoles launch, and matching the 2nd best card from a 2 year old range isn't out of line historically. It's about as good as we could expect for 2020, but say, X360 was certainly punching above that level compared to 2003 video cards in features and power.
2080 would be the fourth best card in the RTX lineup: RTX Titan > 2080ti > 2080 Super > 2080.
Exactly my thoughts.Their next cards are just around the corner (Septermber release kinda expected) so they 100% are looking to dump existing stock.