Sounds good. I'll have to search out if anything better is on the horizon in the near future.
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DF: Future-Proofing Your PC For Next-Gen Gaming (Nvidia sponsored video)
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I was going to say the same things in longer words, but this is good enough.
I'm so eager to build a new PC, but will wait until 2021.
Yeah, I think the idea behind the build is not great. As others have said, cards that largely fit the expected performance profile right now are unlikely to hold up the whole gen (And with console efficiencies). I definitely wouldn't be picking up a 20XX right now with 30XX around the corner, which will theoretically put you above spec with a comfortable buffer.
Same for things like NVME. You really can't get that same SSD performance right now, but in a year, you'll be able to match it or better.
You just can't really future proof at this moment.
Same for things like NVME. You really can't get that same SSD performance right now, but in a year, you'll be able to match it or better.
You just can't really future proof at this moment.
Not interested in upgrading my mobo anytime soon, but sounds like PCIe 4.0 support is critical for "future proofing" my PC whenever I get around to upgrading (hopefully later this year with the RTX 3080).
Guess I'll be holding out on a CPU upgrade until Intel gets its act together with PCIe 4.0 support (sounds like that'll happen with their Rocket Lake CPUs).
Guess I'll be holding out on a CPU upgrade until Intel gets its act together with PCIe 4.0 support (sounds like that'll happen with their Rocket Lake CPUs).
They pretty clearly said GPUs are picked to last 2 to 3 years. That's about how often I upgrade mine.
But then, I'd advise anyone that doesn't need to buy a system right now, to try and wait until after the 30x0 series and PCIX4 NVME drives to surpass next gen console speeds. I'm planning for an upgrade late next year to really build something future proof... however whatever GPU I put in it, will get replaced midway through the console gen, naturally.
Still, if you are building a PC *right now* this advice is sound. AMD Cpu and Nvidia GPU makes total sense at this exact moment in time.
One year after next gen console launches for a full system rebuild, with a mid gen GPU upgrade has served me *ridiculously* well these last couple of decades.
Next gen isn't some magical date you have to get your PC ready for - build something in 2021 and take advantage of all the new stuff that releases in the next 12 months.
I took the chance with a B450 board as I didn't want you wait for B550 and wasn't comfortable paying the price premium. I'm not convinced that a 1TB 3.5GB/s NVME drive is going to become a bottleneck at any point in the next 5 years but that's a risk I'm willing to take.
DF clearly labels all of their sponsored content, so I don't see a problem with it. Remember DF is largely a few folks making videos in their homes, they likely need this type of content to survive.
"Future proofing" with ray-tracing cards which barely RT at a playable frame rate? They might be the best now, but to future proof, I'd wait 3 months and get the newest line.
BF 2020 will be a good time to find some good deals with the series 3XXX Nvidia cards and a 3060 will probably match the 2080 raw performance with a lot of new features so I think the best thing to do now is to wait.
Also, I don't think both PS5 and XSX will have amazing exclusive stuff until holiday 2021, so the best thing IMHO for the next two years is: get a new GPU now and a PS5 in 2021.
Also, I don't think both PS5 and XSX will have amazing exclusive stuff until holiday 2021, so the best thing IMHO for the next two years is: get a new GPU now and a PS5 in 2021.
M.2 storage works for me and low profile Noctua coolers like the NH-L12 work well. Only tricky thing is GPUs but here's to hoping that someone like ZOTAC will have a Mini-ITX friendly 3000 series card by 2021. If not, a Ghost S1 can fit a 2080 Ti.
Seems so weird to me that he says people swap GPUs every 2 years. That seems so frequent to me. They're not cheap parts, so I want one to last a long time. I guess that's why I'm still milking my 980ti for all it's worth.
Yeah, they aren't smartphones, and even those I try to keep at least 3 years. GPUs 3 to 4 years, or even 5+
You can always re-sell the existing one and get a good chunk of the $ back typically, if it's an nvidia card.
Good thing i have 11GB and target 1440p high refresh
My GPU is getting pretty old now, but it's only one generation behind (GTX 1080), and still plays all the latest games just fine (1440p/60+). My CPU should be fine for the next-gen. I'm already running an SSD, although I could probably get a faster one at some point.
But I plan to upgrade my GPU the same way I did last time... by waiting until we're a few cycles into the new generation, so whatever card I get next will be guaranteed to play anything PS5/XSX games can throw at it and then some.
You never want to buy a card at the beginning of the generation. Sure, it's probably more powerful on paper, but no one (not even NVidia) has seen what devs will be throwing at it, and it's almost certain to struggle before too much time has passed, once it starts playing games made exclusively for the next generation, and you'll wind up having to upgrade in just a couple of years.
But I plan to upgrade my GPU the same way I did last time... by waiting until we're a few cycles into the new generation, so whatever card I get next will be guaranteed to play anything PS5/XSX games can throw at it and then some.
You never want to buy a card at the beginning of the generation. Sure, it's probably more powerful on paper, but no one (not even NVidia) has seen what devs will be throwing at it, and it's almost certain to struggle before too much time has passed, once it starts playing games made exclusively for the next generation, and you'll wind up having to upgrade in just a couple of years.
The parts the consoles are using aren't out yet, is the problem. You might have to overshoot the specs to make up for the efficiencies of the newer architectures and Sony's custom flash controller.
Is that backed by stats or just a gut feeling?
I tend to go 3-4 years, but then again, I tend to grab the top of the line when I do purchase new. I do see some fo my friends that aim for mid range do it a bit more often, I think they get a better return on their old GPU on Ebay this way.
I'm in a similar place as the only Ratchet game I ever played/finished was the 2016 PS4 game. The portal bit does seem cool and exemplifies how quickly things will/should load w/ the custom SSD.
This is only true of the SSD and only in comparison to the PS5, and we just don't know what games will take advantage of it to an extent where current PC's SSD's just won't be able to match.
My guess is that it will ONLY be a thing on PS5 exclusives and probably not until later in the generation, and by the time they come to PC (if they do), probably at the back end of the generation, the IO bus on PC is likely to look a lot better than it does now.
I'm hoping that Sony's spear heading this I/O tech will push companies in the PC space to make improvements. We know some stuff is coming, we know there's a lot of overhead on the driver side, we know there's room for improvement on the hardware side. I'm hoping that improvements in drivers, API's and eventually hardware will mean the kind fo stuff the PS5 can do will become common place on PC as well... but again, I'm doubting it. We may only see the SSD's being pushed like this on the handful of PS5 exclusive titles next gen, atleast until towards the end of the generation. Hoping I'm wrong.
I would think so. For PC developers may give us some wiggle room, and maybe use a bit of ram and cpu to compensate. It all depends on how fast Xbox Series X is.
I don't see a six-core system with 2018 GPUs built for cross-gen games as "future proof". More like a stop-gap until new hardware is here.
But really, what is "future-proof" ? Your best bet is to wait until RDNA2 and 30-series GPUs are out, and Rocket Lake (Intel with PCIe 4) or Zen 3 CPUs are on the market.
If it were not for their lack of PCIe 4.0, the 10900K should have been an easy recommendation.
I'm more than happy enough with 1527p or reconstruction if that allows for double the frame rate.
At the very least, the 30-series GPUs should be out before/near Cyberpunk 2077's launch.
Rocket Lake is still supposed to be out later this year.
That's not an insult; but it's difficult to keep that perspective when companies are sending you the latest and greatest hardware for free, or your employer is paying for it.
It's the same for almost anyone doing product reviews.
But really, what is "future-proof" ? Your best bet is to wait until RDNA2 and 30-series GPUs are out, and Rocket Lake (Intel with PCIe 4) or Zen 3 CPUs are on the market.
If it were not for their lack of PCIe 4.0, the 10900K should have been an easy recommendation.
I don't think most people asking for 60/120 FPS care about native 4K resolutions.
I'm more than happy enough with 1527p or reconstruction if that allows for double the frame rate.
That doesn't stop it being a bad time to build a new system if you expect it to do well through a new generation of games.
At the very least, the 30-series GPUs should be out before/near Cyberpunk 2077's launch.
Rocket Lake is still supposed to be out later this year.
Most people working at hardware review outlets are out of touch in that regard.
That's not an insult; but it's difficult to keep that perspective when companies are sending you the latest and greatest hardware for free, or your employer is paying for it.
It's the same for almost anyone doing product reviews.
We don't fully understand what RDNA2 is bringing to the table yet either.
There are a lot of moving parts right now, with so many hardware launches on the near horizon. Probably not the best time for an expensive PC build.
One thing to note is that Rich is talking about PCs that are par for the consoles (or more) and/or have an easy and cheap upgrade path to future technology. Six Core Ryzen 3... given the frequency, system reservations, and reduced cache on consoles, I think a third generation ryzen 6 Core will end up being the "yeah it plays exactly like the consoles" CPU for a good long while.
If you have an RTX 2070 or higher, you basically have yourself a PS5 GPU or more.
The answer to storage devices of similar latency but different bandwidth is to increase the amount of system RAM. PC games will just require more system RAM. The necessity of fast SSDs in the console space is a crutch upgrade to the decidedly meagre upgrade in total system RAM between generations. If a device like a PC has more system RAM then total RAM that a console has and then 8+ GB of VRAM as well... it should be very competent at staying inline with consoles even with a less capable SSD. This kind of trade off is made all the time in design.
Depending on how much you wanna spend wait for the Samsung 980 Pro. Gonna be out in the next 2 months.
On PC I wish there was a mod or app like the downsampling app made by Durante, GeDoSaTo but for checkerboarding. I would get a 4k monitor and use it for everything. Right now I am happy with 1080p for the performance especially if I mess with ray tracing. I prefer framerate and got a freesync monitor specifically for it along with being able to pick a Nvidia or AMD graphics card and not be tied down to one.
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Didn't Digital Foundry do a test on comparable PC hardware of current gen consoles to see how games would run on them, and it was a horrible experience?
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Didn't Digital Foundry do a test on comparable PC hardware of current gen consoles to see how games would run on them, and it was a horrible experience?
That would be impossible, as checkerboarding for consoles and PC requires invasive engine changes to get working, on top of a lot of debugging to make sure it works well with all the post-processing, shaders, etc. It is possibly more intensive than adding in MSAA into a modern engine, which is exceedingly rare.
That's why native advertising is bad.
Why didn't Rich cover AMD even though that's what the next-gen consoles use? Because it's Nvidia's competition.
This is sponsored by Nvidia, they're trying to move their old stock before the new ones come out imo.
Doesn't it make more sense to build a PC a year or two after the new consoles? That way you can smoke them at a reasonable cost. Console price to performance is at its best at launch.
Nvidia is launching the 3000 series by the end of the year that will be a die node shrink. I cannot in good conscious recommend buying now.
CPU, RAM and SSD pricing is all great. It's only the GPUs that are obscenely priced but hopefully that is sorted in a few months.
Right now is the worst time to build a new PC is all my subconscious needs to read, thanks Era. I´m running a 6700 non-K / 2080 and the CPU is bottlenecking my 2K/144hz dream severely. I want to upgrade but I think waiting for Zen 3 and a possible SSD solution similar to the PS4 is the clever move here with my current hardware.
I found super interesting the bit about how PC will "deal" with that PS5 SSD with existing or innovative solutions rather than with pure hardware updates but I still feel its clever to wait if you are in a position to do so.
Also content may be sponsored by NVIDIA but I feel there was absolutely nothing biased about the video even when they talk GPUs. I´m sure raytracing performance on the 20-series will be quickly outdated though.
I found super interesting the bit about how PC will "deal" with that PS5 SSD with existing or innovative solutions rather than with pure hardware updates but I still feel its clever to wait if you are in a position to do so.
Also content may be sponsored by NVIDIA but I feel there was absolutely nothing biased about the video even when they talk GPUs. I´m sure raytracing performance on the 20-series will be quickly outdated though.
Yeah this is why sponsored content is sketchy, you are not actually getting any form of neutrality regardless of how much the content is "like" normal DF videos. This is exactly the point. You are getting a script that had to be approved in some way or another with a marketing firm or the company itself.
I just need to update my 2600x CPU to a 3000 series Ryzen otherwise I'm good. I only game at 1080p anyways so my 1070ti is plentiful despite the lack of RT. Future proofing is too expensive and much better value upgrading as needed.