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DF: Dirt 5: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Comparison + Performance
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DF has insider information about the SDK's and the 120FPS mode car comparison is a bug. Unless you think cars on Series X should look less detailed than Forza Motorsport 3-4 (Xbox 360) and GT5-6 cars (PS3).
User Banned (permanent): platform warring, account in junior phase
xbox fans keep the excuses coming. Microsoft touted it as the strongest console, best launch lineup in xbox history, multiplats play best on series x, jabs at sony and lower latency controller but we're not seeing it. You guys should demand better
Think about this though: In these multiplatform games, which subsystem is underperforming more compared to its paper specs? XSX's GPU or PS5's SSD?
Common, they perform very similar. If we didn't have df, nobody would have noticed or cared.
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So basically, MS is probably at fault for how third party games struggle at launch. I wonder if this is because they wanted to wait to make sure they have all the RDNA2 features or if the problem is something else.
Edit: Actually as some other posters mentioned, DF already looked into this and apparently it runs a dynamic res that averages aroudn 1728P (64% of 4K) but it has screen-space global illumination and VRS added so taken together, it gets a bit messy to do a comparison with PC graphics cards
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That's not at all what they said.
They theorize it's a bug and they've told the development team who are now looking into it. That's it.
For now I'd say it's winning in the multiplat performance dept. And to say it is, for now, is not jumping the gun, it's just how it seems to be for the moment. Maybe next year, maybe the year after, it'll be different. Who knows.
As for the second point, it's only becoming common knowledge recently, as an explainer for why PS5 is performing as well, or better, than the Series X in these games. Until recently, the conventional wisdom was that the Series X would hold a small but notable (~20%) performance lead in multiplats. That this is not happening, yet, is why these comparisons are attracting so much attention at the moment...simply because this was not the commonly expected outcome, at all, and it'll probably take a while before these results are less surprising.
What is this console warring garbage? Good lord. For all of the great work DF does the "discussion" that arises from their videos is anything but.
Nah it is pretty ridiculous that people on both sides spent a year coming up with elaborate theories of how their consoles would be better than the other, and based on 3 cross-gen games at launch having minor performance advantages (AC, CoD and Dirt versus DMC5 having a few extra frames under raytracing on XSX, if I'm keeping score correctly?) it is decided which of these sides was "correct".
It's pretty clear that PS5 is performing better at the moment, but that doesn't at all mean that all these theories of "balanced system", "secret sauce", "fast but narrow", "custom RDNA", "Cerny's individual brilliance" are confirmed. Likely some of them will have something to do with it but there are so many factors that could explain what we are seeing. The same way you would laugh me out of the room if I came in here and said that the 2fps difference in DMC5 cutscenes proves that Xbox won because they have "full RDNA2" or that more CU cores mean it's the better raytracing system.
This has been well documented that the GDK has been behind greatly. This is not a made up story
Except those cards will probably cost 4x(or more) as much as a faster NVMe drive a couple of years from now. Special solution always end up being bad for consumers when it comes to storage.
that's exactly what I mean. They are doing this for the same reasons. Extra work now. Less work later.
I would be curious for Digital Foundry to look into the Dirt 5 6800 XT vs 3080 FE benchmarks results, there's some fuckery going on. Gamers found that in Godfall you could tweak the ini file to enable RT on RTX cards and oh, oops, variable rate shading also was linked to that and saw a boost in performances. Would not be surprised that Dirt 5 is also doing something similar.
I agree with no one knowing how the situation will be in the near future. Secret sauce of either console could turn things around, My guess is they'll end up being comparable which shouldn't be shocking to anyone attempting to catch up with pre launch next-gen console PR.
Yeah but I'm not "the vast majority of the people out there", I'm not as picky as DF but I have enough self-insight to know I'm not normal lol
But I always end up with all platforms so that's essentially my problem here, I never want to play an inferior version unless I get something better in return. I play most games on PC but today I don't have a good way to play PC in the living room so the best console version is my best choice here for many games.
I guess I know I shouldn't jump in head first on the XSX version of Cyberpunk 2077 at least.
It's just 1 pool, just that one part of the pool is slower. I'm not sure how the overall bandwidth if affected when using both sides of the pool.
As a curiosity I typed "@xboxp3" into twitter search and clicked the "latest" tab.
To what end? The differences are minor and everyone agrees that both systems will sell out their stock. What would a delay achieve?
Thing is though we have proof of PS5s SSD with DeS and Miles loading times, we don't have anything exclusive or non exclusive showing us the power of the X. Miles has the best Ray Tracing for a console game and DeS is graphically the best we have ever seen. I'm sorry but MS just hasn't shown us anything to say hey Xbox is the most powerful. What does that title even matter if you have zero games to show for it including multi plat games.
The new consoles are really let down by YouTube videos of their gameplay.
Processing unfinished makes any resolution look crappy. Go back to the same video when it's 100% processed, and compare the compressed crappy picture to the fully processed 1080p. My Dirt 5 at fully processed 1080p doesn't look anything like that compressed unfinished picture.
It doesn't. For instance, Minecraft had pathtracing and Watch Dogs has raytraced reflections inside of raytraced reflections. But in terms of the overall package of framerate, res, and general graphical fidelity, Miles is obv the best looking.
Maybe, though we've been seeing a few PS4 Pro games running better in BC than their One X counterparts due to checkerboard utilization rather than native resolution. It'll be interesting to see what the game ends up using, though I definitely wouldn't be surprised if Series X has an advantage:
It is the multi-platform king right now. Games like Watchdogs Legion also run better on PS5, even though DF hasn't covered this yet. But yeah whether it still will be in 6 months or a year, who knows. But as of right now, it is what it is.
Edit: well actually, PC is the real multi-platform king of course. A 3080 will decimate the performance seen here. But nobody is interested in that lol
Not good for the XSX on image quality mode targeting 60fps
I can see the difference from 12 feet away on this low bitrate YT video
Also the AF on XSX is very low. That should be a thing of the past on console.
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Which begs the question... is Xbox IO less bottlenecked? Was Cerny wrong? Does Jason know what he is talking about? /s
This is obviously sarcasm and I simply made this post to show how jumping to conclusions to early isn't good like many in here seem to do. Sure, currently PS5 performs better and the ball is definitely in Xbox court to show what their more powerful system based on CPU, GPU and RAM specs can do. But as you somewhat mentioned we could equally question the stellar IO capabilities of the PS5 based on the results, which think would be silly.
It's to early and we haven't even scratch the surface on what these machines can do. I expect better results of Xbox in the future as many insiders have said their tools came in hot and are new, which involves a learning curve. Thus there should be a bit more headroom for improvements. I also expect the superior IO of the PS5 to show their strengths a bit more going forward.
The consoles will always be close and there always will be those cases of the "weaker" system providing better results. But I think those will be the exception and not like currently the norm.
Wtf.
There are people really @ Phil asking for clarifications regarding this.
People are nuts.
Tinfoil time: Destiny, cyberpunk 2077 next gen patch , and Medium have been delayed due to new version of the tools for Xbox. Which would fix up some of the problems that we seen already. As these three titles have Xbox marketing
People declared the xsx the multiplatform king with 0 games compared. Has been the ongoing talk here for almost a year.
In fact until a few days ago many people still were saying 'xsx for multiplatform, ps5 for exclusives'.
And here we are.
Destiny was not delayed because of Xbox GDK. Beyond Light launched totally broken after being delayed, it was obvious that Bungie didn't have manpower to deliver the next gen version in time.
I am aware of that. However, it seems like DF's videos take far longer compared to many others who also upload 4K content.
The Demon's Souls in-depth analysis which went up over 3 days ago is STILL stuck at 1080p despite the PS4 and XB1 YT app saying that it was uploaded as 4K content (which the source file on the patreon site corroborates). I have a hard time believing that YT is still processing that upload for well over 72 hours after upload.
I really do believe it's due to the SDK not being "mature" enough compared to the PS5's so I'm just gonna wait with my conclusions. I hope for some people's sake that these differences disappear in future third party games though. I've seen some people having a really hard time with the Xbox Series X not outperforming the PS5 as they expected/hoped.
Oh wow lol this is what I meant.
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A lot of it has to do with video length and encoded format and bitrate. It took an hour and a half to full process my video that was less than 4 mins long.
MY Astro video, 40 mins long, 100+Mbs bitrate, took just over 4 full days to process.
The same could be said about the people saying PS5 will load 2-3 times faster and yet here we are.
I think the more interesting discussion at this point is why are these expectations not met... Tools, launch games, or whatever it may be are all topics worth discussing.
Umm let's not quite go overboard here, Gears 5 on the series X uses dynamic res from 1080p-4k, averages just over 1700p in action during the campaign according to DF, going to go to them instead of IGN for tech analysis. The SX version is using a more advanced form of global illumination yes, but also not the (highly taxing) 'insane' reflections of the PC version, and has VRS to boot to further decrease the load. We'll see when the PC version gets these updates, but a 5700XT actually isn't that far off.AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Review
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If you compare Gears 5 and Dirt 5 (and other multiplatform launch games), Gears 5 on XSX performs like a 6800 XT
Consoles (and fixed hardware platforms in general) are all about compromises, it can't be helped. The differences being small is not that bad of a scenario all things considered.
That observation you just made is precisely my point. The disparity in loading times between first-party and third-party games proves why this first batch of multiplatform titles is not an accurate indication of what these consoles can do. Imagine a scenario in which our only performance metric of PS5's SSD was the likes of Dirt 5 and Valhalla. Would you not have people here doubting the hardware and Cerny himself?
It might be that this sort of performance ends up being representative of each console's capabilities, but it is not unreasonable to not consider these benchmarks as enough to reach a definitive conclusion just yet.