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DF: Dirt 5: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Comparison + Performance
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For those with VRR, the Series X may be the best experience once the details in the 120 fps mode are fixed.
Great video by John as usual and also have to say the point that Richard makes in regards to being a bit more understanding when it comes to these issues. Between covid and there being 9 consoles to support, it must be so tough on the devs to deal with everything. This is why the sooner cross gen ends, the better it will be for everyone
Great video by John as usual and also have to say the point that Richard makes in regards to being a bit more understanding when it comes to these issues. Between covid and there being 9 consoles to support, it must be so tough on the devs to deal with everything. This is why the sooner cross gen ends, the better it will be for everyone
Yeah, because that last picture comparison has definitely something to do with hardware. You console warriors are so annoying. Holy moly.
Would like to know whats up with those Xbox builds. Especially with those bugs in Valhalla and right here. No time for optimisations? I dont know, but something is absolutely wrong and it has nothing to do with hardware.
Dictator Do you know something or have a feeling what it could be? Because well, somethings up.
Yeah I have an LGC9 and I didnt find the 120hz mode all that useful, it looks significantly worse than the other 2 modes. The added frame rate is nice, but its not that noticeable in a racing game. Quality mode is the one to go with I think, the game really does look great, its a shame what youtube compression does to it though.
So there's a big difference even in the Image Quality mode, not only for the performance one. Wow, this is surprising
And wtf is up with that 576p on Series S? My god, that's too low even for an Xbox 360
Thanks for the write-up!
Honestly surprised at the difference in quality; the textures look flatter on the XSX.
It's kind of odd b/c I thought that Dirt 5 marketing had seemed to prioritize XBOX, aside from the discussion on the DualSense.
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Another bad look on the xsx. The rethoric that power gap is non existent is already established and now the xsx has no games and no power advantage in the mind of the average gamer.
This is gonna be an even harder generation for ms.
This is gonna be an even harder generation for ms.
Oversight does seem unlikely at the testing level, but it could be the result of an oversight on the development level. It could also easily be a situation where a massive bug was discovered, and the only quick workaround to make launch was to lower detail, and that can be for reasons completely unrelated to power.
I only just started playing this morning on PS5, I think I left it in the first mode (Image quality?) and it looks and runs pretty great, at least in the first 5 or 6 races I've done. I'm actually quite impressed.
I'm gonna check out the other modes as I go.
I'm gonna check out the other modes as I go.
What in the world? I was not expecting this at all with 3rd party games. Is this what people meant when they said the series S would hold back next gen? Hopefully they can fix that. They mentioned how DMC got fixed on the PS5 so it should get fixed here too. Richard mentioned that having it ready for X, S and PC from the getgo could be a potential reasoning here.
I am going to guess you have not watched all the video, not basically the same, lots of differences.
As said in the video likely a bug. This is not the look MS want for the launch of a new console.
When the Series X starts eating monsters for Breakfast the Series S is going to choke!
I think its obvious what is happening. There is only so much time for developers and there are two Xbox's to optimise for, the X obviously has the power to run on par or at higher rates than PS5 but when you have resources spread between the two systems then you can not prioritise one.
You really need to contextualise that at that resolution it's running in 120fps mode. That's very ambitious for the console, and I'm surprised it's an option at all. The default modes run at a respectable resolution.
Keep it mind ACV runs at 30 on XSS compared to 60 on XSX.
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DF said the 120hz mode is a dynamic 1440p with the lowest it goes is 1080p. XSS is the one that goes well bellow 900p and all the way to 570p.
Hey, I said should! We'll see how it turns out. If it isn't, I'll certainly be confused (or it would likely mean the PS5 version is "native" from launch, which I'm not expecting but could be the case.
But to clarify what I'm saying- the game is essentially a PS4 Pro and Xbox One X game at launch. It's not running natively as a PS5 or XBSX game. In these cases, XB1X usually came out ahead, and has another added advantage with BC on the SX allowing for enhancements that PS5 doesn't allow (see Rocket League and Squadrons).
For those who are willing to afford, DF's patreon should be way worth the money, youtube decompression kills most games unfortunately.
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This is not true. Specs wise PS5 has several advantages over Series X besides SSD.
Again, Image Quality Mode is not the 120fps mode. It's a separate issue aside from the Series X loading drastically lower assets than the PS5 in Performance Mode, which DF assumes is a bug that will be fixed.
at this point I'm thinking there must be issues with the xsx, because these performance differences across various are hard to wrap my head around. Hope it is addressed and fixed with updates somehow
As someone who spent money on an xsx , I'm disappointed. Very.
I'm sorry, but I think you're wrong. The mention of 570p was in relation to Frame Rate mode, not Image Quality mode.
I just finished watching the video.
(Stolen from the write up by chandoog)
- Image Quality Mode
- Series S tops out at 1440p but mostly 1080p or below.
- Resolution Mode
- Series S still mostly sticks to 1080p range.
- Frame Rate / Performance Mode
- Series S as low as 570p.
Where did I say it has anything to do with the hardware itself or specs? Calm down man
I was just saying that right now PS5 seems way more easier to develop on and that was the goal that Cerny wanted to achieve giving what he said back in march. Also, every developer seems pretty excited to work on PS5, maybe we're starting to see why
Have folks deliberately ignored Matt in nearly all of these tech threads that he has participated in? I thought these things were well highlighted?
Clock speeds, as an example.
You didn't read the poster you responded to.
" So there's a big difference even in the Image Quality mode, not only for the performance one. Wow, this is surprising "
They were talking about the difference between the PS5 and Series X in *image quality mode* for which there is a significant difference. There are screenshots of this in the thread, and DF talks about this in the video at about 6:15 to 6:30.
This is not the "120 fps" mode issue which is clearly loading drastically lower quality assets and IS most likely a bug.
I don't think it will reach 50 pages because it's just not surprising anymore...
If a game comes that gives the edge to the Series X then it will reach 50 once again, until then it will be bussines as
And I'm not sure why they released the S at launch, a mistake indeed...just release it a couple years in, when the early adopters all got their Xs.
Or even better just skip the S altogether, save all the R&D and money sunk into it and release a slim model in a couple years in with a cheaper price. Saves the same purpose with no conpromises! I don't knowa what they were thinking...
Why would you be scared of playing a game that's already out and has no next gen enhancements?
I'm scared for Red Dead now. Really wanna play that on the XSX.
Call me crazy but after reading most of these posts and comparison videos.... I really think fuses issues do come down to tools (even though I questioned that aspect)
Also I really believe that the PS5 was suppose to come out in 2019. These tools seem like almost a year ahead than MS's, and well enough to overcome the specs difference of the series x.
[there was a post by brad sams showing the development tools for the scarlet family being approved for development back in July]
Also I really believe that the PS5 was suppose to come out in 2019. These tools seem like almost a year ahead than MS's, and well enough to overcome the specs difference of the series x.
[there was a post by brad sams showing the development tools for the scarlet family being approved for development back in July]
I did read the poster. He said two things. The second of which was " And wtf is up with that 576p on Series S? My god, that's too low even for an Xbox 360 "
I've updated my quote so it now only has the relevant sentence.
I think that this needs to be stressed despite it being said many times throughout the last year, TeraFlops is NOT an absolute measure of performance, it is a measure of capacity for calculating within a second, if after calculating one thing in the next operation there is no data to work on in the caches, and thus the GPU's "TeraFlops" are not being fully utilized, PS5's higher clock and cache scrubbers are both utilized to minimize that idle time.
Tools are absolutely a part of this too, but they are not the sole reason for advantages popping up in those early games, and as games will get more complex, the need for immediate data access might get even higher.
Tools are absolutely a part of this too, but they are not the sole reason for advantages popping up in those early games, and as games will get more complex, the need for immediate data access might get even higher.
neither console is this far apart from each other in terms of power, so yeah there's an underlying issue here.
Yes, you're absolutely right, but in this case the fault is on Microsoft side. They announced and marketed the console writing everywhere 120FPS, 1440p and stuff like that, so it's kinda disappointing to see a cross-gen game hitting 576p.
Fyi, Sony re-confirmed yesterday that VRR is coming in an update.
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VRR support on PS5 to come in a future system software update News
I noticed that the official FAQ has been updated with this although I’m not sure how long ago was it: https://blog.playstation.com/2020/11/09/ps5-the-ultimate-faq/
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the average gamer doesnt watch DF content. We are not the "average gamer", one day people will finally understand this.
TechBoss Is this a bug?
The 120hz 'bug'
i-e significantly pared back levels of detail in the environment, cars and geometry on the Series S|X versions.
I do wonder how much the toolsets will change that current trend, because so far XSX is looking weak compared to PS5.
This is probably correct. PS5 will outsell both xboxes fairly handily. Even if you give the same development resources to both platforms, you now have to split that Xbox team into two to optimize SX and SS. Sony is much more developer friendly from that perspective.
Also for those who think the tools are going to catch up, that's not really all that likely. They will get better, but so will Sony's and Sony has the most talented studios in the business all contributing to their technology base.
MS has said in their presentations that they are no longer seeing cost reductions from going to mlre advanced nodes.
Higher clocks on gpu, unified pool of memory. Xbox has 10gb 20% faster and 6gb 30% slow. More memory for games. Better io.
If that's the case, the PS5 will have less pixels to push than the XSX, and most likely will have better performance, as that was the case with Sekiro