Zero chance any actual PS5 owner is a fan of this, lol.
Can you imagine 300 GB games that take up a third of the sSD?
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DF Direct: Xbox Series X Gameplay Reveal Reaction - Is This Next-Gen?
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Zero chance any actual PS5 owner is a fan of this, lol.
Can you imagine 300 GB games that take up a third of the sSD?
I think it's been heavily suggested that July events, while first party heavy, is not exclusively first party. It'll likely be their e3 press conference, minus the hardware focus and some of the AA titles, so first party developed, 3rd party developed / microsoft published, and AAA / indie 3rd party titles.
Don't think you have any insight with their pipeline and expertise to make such a claim. Decouple from spinning drive? You being serious?
We know game launching late 22 will be exclusive, and MS have games projected to release then, so we need to wait until July.
I thought MS policy was to show games when they are close release.
You know that the game you posted above is a 3P game right ?
Feels to me like Microsoft is playing it safe while trying to put out info. No big guns till Sony shows its big guns.
That's not what they were saying. They were saying no, we don't think it is possible. They go on to talk about it again later in the video and basically say "yeah it probably technically has raytracing, but full raytracing or even major raytracing at 4K60, no we don't believe that will happen."
It isn't an amazed wow how can this be. It was more, we think this is not going to be actually as amazing as it would imply.
Because yeah, I really wouldn't advise expecting full raytraced reflections or that sort of thing at 4K60 fps on any kind of graphically intense game on these consoles.
EDIT: Also, 4K60 fps stuff with better detail than current gen but still pretty much current gen looking isn't exactly the most exciting. Yes maybe 4K120fps is really cool and good looking. But it's not exactly the most exciting thing when we're looking forward to some serious new stuff we didn't expect, if that makes sense.
It also seems like they are trying to find the positives here too. They repeatedly mention they're trying to avoid being super negative. Alex even kind of thanks John for saying the mean thing he didn't want to say at one point.
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As a cutscene, or very controlled gameplay, that is totally possible current gen. You have to tightly control what's happening so you can load in the alternate world into RAM, and then switch to it.
What will be impressive is switching between the two across the world and without clear times for this info to load into the RAM. This scene, as we see it, is possible in current gen. What I think we need is a gameplay demo showing it in action, more often and dynamic in a way that is not possible current gen.
That's the issue with these super short trailers with no real in depth look at the gameplay.
As DF mentioned though, the geometry on display was definitely really detailed though, so that was good to see. Although again this particular shot does not look like something you couldn't see in a cutscene on current gen and thus could similarly make it into a trailer.
Yeah but the expectations will be higher for their games. I think if MS wants to go last its for the price.
Yup, but I think they may be relaxing that when showing off a new console. They want to show games that are in Dev as opposed to being just signed (Scalebound). Hellblade 2 for instance is unlikely to be a game released anytime soon, which they showed off.
The lighting in dirt isnt ray tracing so yeah the lighting in that game is as current gen as it could be.
I agree. 60fps for Sports, First Person shooters, Racing games and let Devs choose. Also no one complained about DS and HZD with 30fps. Devs did good with FPS on consoles with most to me and I game at 144 hz on PC....
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When Sony show off their console I will tell you. Remember next gen begins when Sony says so. ;)
The more I think about the Valhalla trailer, the crazier it is. It ads insult to injury by both being way too short, and using the most annoying editing trend of fading to black between every shot so you spend half the trailer looking at a blank screen in what was supposed to be a next-gen gameplay coming out party...
Then they shouldn't have made this their first show.
I was playing days gone and thinking what if I didn't have to wait so long for it to load etc Imagine everything being so immediate. Sony will show off this aspect so people know it is the fastest console. Microsoft have the most powerful machine, but their lack of expertise, along with wanting to feed the xbox one x and series s will mean that they are never going to fully realise their consoles potential. I am sure the ps5 will produce better looking games because they have the developers, and Microsoft don't. I know that some multiplatform titles will look better on series x like cyberpunk 2077, but it will only be a handful of publishers they have special deals with.
Exactly. They should never have hyped it so much. Now casuals will think the series x is as powerful as the one x.
I was watching ray tracing in action, really nice floors, but all I could see was the the exact same games. In that regard this trailer was terrible.
Well they didnt, the first "next gen" showing was at the game awards then they let digital foundry and austin evans do hardware teardowns, spec breakdowns and feature demonstrations.
What the issue was here is ms setting false expectations.
But its a small bump in a very good road.
I would just invite you to consider this: Either Microsoft will primarily focus on cross generational games for a couple years, or they have games exclusively made for XSX that are ready to be shown off even if they aren't launching with the console. If they don't have the games ready, even if they are coming in 2022 Microsoft will have to deal with Sony launching with PS5 first party exclusives and how that makes their console appear to be the most capable console. Or, Microsoft has their first reveal for XSX be mostly games that are underwhelming visually for next generation (note I personally think some were interesting), while at some point they will show a few AAA games that are XSX exclusive in a couple years presumably will release - and this is while Sony is showcasing PS5 exclusive launch games.
That's what's off with your calculus. Microsoft has decided that instead of the normal generational transition they want to introduce their next gen console and gradually move towards it. Now, I'm not going to try to predict how successful the console will be or what their timeline is; however, it should be noted that unless Microsoft has been lying about having AAA exclusive games made exclusively for the XSX launch they will have to contend with Sony having the most "next gen" launch games due to their decision to immediately shift to the PS5.
Or to put it simply: Microsoft may be willing to show a few of their AAA projects scheduled for 2022 but how will that play against Sony showing games for 2020 and 2021? Especially when it's fair to say Sony has the pedigree for impressive visuals as well as critical acclaim? It seems a bit...optimistic...don't you think?
I'm not sure what you all are expecting from next gen exactly. I have been behind the times for a little while now, but I fired up gears 5 for PC at 4K ultra settings on my new 4K TV and I'm just absolutely stunned at how beautiful this game is. Now the series x can produce just as well, if not better than a gaming pc so it's relevant. But again, what are we looking for? It will be awhile before the software catches up with the tech at this point I'd think.
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Man and I saw this coming miles away too. I really really feel that not having a single XSX only game was really dumb. Sure make Halo accessible everywhere, but you've gotta make a better argument for your console than merely "games play nicer here."
Then why does Sony go to such high clocks with the GPU? They could live with 9.2 TF easily if it's only up to the SSD. They will just have a lower resolution in the end.
Sony is creating a strong baseline. The GPU will likely be a very great jump, but the SSD and IO will unlock some really cool new experiences.
if you think methodically at what the individual improved hardware parts will I cant see a substantial jump is not possible, the 5x improved CPU is going to enable more drawcalls, physics simulations and better Ai. The GPU will enable better and more effects, better textures, more polygons. The ssd will be an extension of the ram which can be used for low bandwidth tasks.
The cross gen period is just that, "cross-gen" its not a tease of what to expect.
4K and 60fps aren't next gen to me. RT, the benefits of the SSDs and changes in game or level design as a result are what matter to me.
With that in mind, only next gen exclusive games will do this. Microsoft's first party line up will look great I'm sure, but I don't think they'll be 'next gen' until they drop the Xbox One
With that in mind, only next gen exclusive games will do this. Microsoft's first party line up will look great I'm sure, but I don't think they'll be 'next gen' until they drop the Xbox One
And It's only being compounded by the Inside Xbox which claimed to show gameplay for XSX and what we got were AA cross generation games, mostly, and nothing that was impressive in a way that shows off the capabilities of the system.
As an outsider it's quite an interesting situation. Microsoft has largely done a really good job with marketing the last couple of years, yet the single most important thing they could do - have games that truly show off the console that claim to be the most powerful - they have kneecapped themselves by not moving on to the next generation. Meanwhile Sony has struggled at times with their marketing yet despite having a slightly weaker console, at least by the raw TF numbers, it's pretty easy to see a situation where not only do they have the most exciting exclusive games that show off next gen capabilities, but it wouldn't surprise me if the narrative is the PS5 has the best looming and most impressive games (which could and may well translate into many gamers equating that to the most powerful).
I must say if Sony is playing poker and this is how that read the cards I'm impressed lol
A system is not just about one component though, but you already know this.
Something like this would have been perfect after the story trailer.
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That is ultra, John was really good in this video to point out that games with a 4K60 tag will not be on ultra settings found on PC in a number of instances where that is expensive.I uhh don't think Yakuza 7 is gonna hit 4k60 Dark1x
Here's Kiwami 2 on PC which runs on the same engine
I tried it at 4k on my 1080 and was personally getting sub 30
I think part of it is that what we really need are boring demos like the ones Xbox showed on YouTube. How long does it take to load. How many games can I run simultaneously
Something like this would have been perfect after the story trailer.
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Yes, i agree.
But would you gift that to Xbox or save it for your own presentation of the game?Something like this would have been perfect after the story trailer.
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Everything we've seen about The Medium seems like it COULD be that, and maybe even scorn too, but they showed off absolutely nothing. I think in the video in the OP John even mentions the Scorn dev wanted to show off gameplay, but were only given 2 minutes.
It's baffling. Because honestly that level of detail, if present in gameplay, is genuinely better looking that most things this gen. And The Medium's switching concept could be a great way to show off the SSD.
Like I still maintain starting off with 3rd party AA and a couple AAA games was rather foolish, but they could at least have taken what they had and really used them to illustrate the power of their system and what made it unique...and they just didn't. As John repeatedly said it's bizarre.
They even teased this event as "under an hour." I did not expect that to mean "under HALF an hour."
Dude yes exactly.
That's what is even worse here. Microsoft has dominated the conversation with the teraflops number. But instead of leading the charge with showing some games to justify that number, they show tiny snippets and vague trailers that don't get into really justifying that power being put to use, even though they seem to clearly have the better console!
Meanwhile, Sony, not being tethered to last generation, is going to be able to do things like, really go in and show off their SSD tech for example, and do their pretty games like they always do. And honestly just cripple the entire narrative that Microsoft's teraflops even matter.
I mean teraflops are a bad metric anyway, but still with in general the XSX being the better console, we SHOULD see Microsoft taking that to its limit and showing it off. But the seeds of "teraflops don't matter" have already been planted, and if what we see in June shows Sony with some mind blowing games, that will then become the dominate narrative.
And this is made even worse! Because Microsoft is giving Sony a MONTH of that.
What is the point of saying ha we have 2 more teraflops if most of what you show is clearly cross gen games maybe running at double framerate or something, which yes 120 fps is fucking awesome, but is a number going to impress people? Let's be honest. No. People want to hear 60 fps and that's it. We still have people doggedly almost preferring 30 fps. And overwhelmingly your average gamer doesn't even have a 4K TV to care about 4K. If your whole selling point is, hey we have games that look like last gen, but with raytracing a little bit, and at 4K60 or 4K120, your average gamer does not care. What they care about is graphics that blow their heads off.
But Microsoft decides, like last generation, to lead off with a first impression all about the boring. I don't understand how they haven't learned this doesn't work. Last generation they started with the boring details of their box, promising no no guys the good stuff is later at E3. And it was! Go back and watch Microsoft E3 2013. Everyone says Sony won, and sure in context I guess? But I genuinely think Microsoft had the better show. It was great. But it was marred by that shitty first impression.
People making boneheaded decisions, no matter what it's about, just gets my goat man. I understand with COVID-19 things are complicated, but even with what they HAD they could have made it so much more interesting.
That said I mean, I really don't think Sony have done a great job either. So maybe they will utterly squander their June event with an awkward, boring event that somehow makes everything lame. I would not put it past them. This is in some ways a new team at Sony. I totally loved loved loved the Sony talk. I could listen to Cerny talk all day. It was the perfect birthday present lol. But no one else thought so, and I do understand that. It's entirely possible we get something more interesting, but still falls flat.
It's too early to tell but man these companies have the material to make some hype events, and Microsoft had been doing so good. They blew everyone's minds with hellblade's trailer. Everyone was expecting a comprehensive gameplay trailer of something of that caliber and we got....not that.
Well it seemed like that was the entire point. Everyone tuning into Xbox, even people who wouldn't tune into a Ubisoft conference. The whole world was looking at it, or that's the idea. I mean the first next gen gameplay? Who doesn't want to see that? So from Ubisoft's pov, who cares if it's at your event? You want everyone to see the next AAAA game coming from your company. There's a reason companies agree to lengthy demos at Microsoft, Sony, and sometimes Nintendo conferences, even when they have their own. Ubisoft themselves are no stranger to this themselves.
Fuck it some companies literally just duplicate stuff lol. It's not unheard of.
And it's not like they could have gone into some decent length just showing a cinematic well constructed gameplay sequence, and then done a more playalong explanation type thing at their own conference.
There are many ways they could have done this besides constantly cutting to black and showing a few different parts of the game...even though we already kinda got the look of the game from screenshots.
True, but at then end of the day its the quality of the games that really matter.
That's what I don't get. Why did it need to be streamed? There wasn't any interactivity.
I mean, being part of a console reveal is a huge deal and you're going to have tons of eyes on your product.
But what if you could still have those eyes yet turn them to your very own conference wanting to see more? You could probably even use that promise to show off a few other products you're offering before hand.
You don't understand the point of "next generation gameplay reveal"...?
You want to synonymyze yourself with next gen. You want to pull in eyes that don't care about Ubisoft yea or nay.
Xbox always, always, ALWAYS gets more views on their conferences than Ubisoft conferences. This is about creating this image that you are The Next Generation Game to Have.
You do that by aligning yourself with a next generation console. You give your first impressions within that context. You are building subconscious associations and feelings. This is literally what marketing is based on, and it works.
The point of this is bringing people to you. Ubisoft's conference does not pull people to Ubisoft's conference. It just shows off to people who they've already sold to, Ubisoft fans, and curious enthusiasts. That is too small a net for what Ubisoft wants to catch. A platform showcase will always be bigger than a publisher showcase.
There's a reason companies like Activision literally don't do a conference at all, even though there's been years they absolutely could have, because it is more valuable to them to show off their games at Microsoft or Sony's E3 conferences. There's a reason they do that.
How are we in 2020 and companies still don't realise that CGI trailers impress nobody?
We want to see gameplay, if you have no gameplay to show, then wait till you do!
We want to see gameplay, if you have no gameplay to show, then wait till you do!