I want to do a video on the ray tracing examples we saw this coming week, talking about what we see, the compromises, etc.
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DF Direct - PlayStation 5 Reveal Analysis + Reaction!
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Exactly. It was all about the flops and how PC was going to hold them back- and now we're looking at 30fps games lol
It never changes. If Sony ran a vineyard they'd have some of the best wine around, but would serve it in paper cups.
I'm not so sure about that.
If digital foundry deep dived a launch title and it was 1080p, regardless of visuals this message board would implode
Hella ignorance in this post. JFC.
Y'all need to get used to the idea that 4k60fps w/raytracing and general big improvements in visual and asset quality isn't going to happen on these (likely) $500 systems. Not as standard anyway. To build a PC that does this would cost 3x as much.
And also this 'no excuses' rhetoric needs to stop. Have you worked a day in game development in your life to be saying stuff like this? Not every developer has the time, resource or even talents to do what Rockstar did with RDR2 on the Xbox One X. Real stupid comparison there.
This is a complete mischaracterization of what people were saying, which was about the SSD and probably not true anyway.
Pretty sure that's not how it'll look when the game ships. AA is working fine here:
Thing is, if the PS4 can push a game that looks as good as Horizon 2 at native 4K30 just IMAGINE how good it will be where they fall back to reconstruction techniques.
This is how I thought it would go. 4K at the start, then reconstruction will be used more and more as we get further into the generation for better and better graphics.
This is how I thought it would go. 4K at the start, then reconstruction will be used more and more as we get further into the generation for better and better graphics.
It certainly was strange for them to release screens without AA as trailer and other shots certainly had it.
Really shows how important AA is for image quality though.
It's not that simple. If a game is bottlenecked by the CPU, dropping the resolution won't increase the framerate. You can't have a blanket 1440p/60fps or 4K/30fps option.
I'm not trying to dissuade anyone that higher frame rates can make a difference, just that for many people, it's not enough of one to make a discernable or major impact on their gaming experience.
I think a major factor in what you're describing is the reliance on games that use higher frame rates that are also much higher action or motion, and the more time you spend with those, the more time you're focusing on those minute shifts? I play virtually nothing that requires that kind of reflexes. The ys series is about it, but I don't know what fps they're set to, and going between ys 8 and anything else on ps4 was never jarring.
I'll respond similarly to what I said to the above comment. I'm not disputing the value of higher frame rates. However, it's not something that is personally relevant, and I don't feel a need to try and force myself to be stuck in that same requirement, especially when it seems to get so many people on era so bent out of shape. If 30 fps allows the dev to accomplish their vision, then it works for me.
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I mean that part in whole occupies less than 1/16th of the screen, and the edges like her arm and hairs (which are using transparent textures) are absolutely tiny. Even at 4K there will be information that's not present to accurately render them.
100% crop
look at the artifacts on and all around aloy
With these CPUs we're not going get bottlenecked by the CPU (to hit 60) for some time now...especially not an early game like this which has been in development from before the specs were even finalised and was built off an engine built around minimising the drawbacks of having a weak CPU.
Basically I doubt that this CPU cannot push more than 30-40FPS and hence bottleneck the game's framerate even at a lower resolution.
The entire image is like that. I just cropped it to aloy because she's the player character and she's in the foreground so it isn't just a distance thing.
Edit if you mean 1/16th of an actual display I think I get what you mean. I've never seen 4k in person.
I meant that whole model of Aloy and the horse etc is taking 1/16 of the actual screen...and it applies to other parts as well.The entire image is like that. I just cropped it to aloy because she's the player character and she's in the foreground so it isn't just a distance thing.
Edit if you mean 1/16th of an actual display I think I get what you mean. I've never seen 4k in person.
4K still has a finite amount of information available to it, and edges that small will not have enough information available to them to resolve in full detail. Additionally the AA won't work correctly on edges that small because its effectiveness is directly dependant on the amount of information available...the more pixel it has to work with for an edge the better it can resolve that edge.
Controversial opinion: many of these games probably won't be native by launch
That's if they don't can the RT update
These consoles unlike last gen actually has really good CPUs though.
I'm mostly just referring to your absurd comparison to Vita/Switch level of clarity.
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look at the artifacts on and all around aloy
I think have that confused with what you quoted.....
I dont know who, but most folks in the PS5 tech thread were not screaming this. Most were shocked at native. I know some were expecting 1440p/30 upscaled.
I mostly see 4K/60 or bust from certain folks.
There's probably no backlash because the games just looked so damn good. And Ratchet n Clank being basically a demo of what the SSD could do. Seeing that kinda puts 4K/60 on the back burner
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I'm really interested in seeing if you guys think the GT7 demo was actually just GTSport.
The demo had LOD pop in and the same shadow cascading issues in GTSport.
I suspect the price(s) will be announced the minute they're ready to start taking pre-orders, and that they won't open pre-orders until they get a picture of how well production is going. My question would be how do they judge how many of each they should produce? Would they use pre-orders to influence that?
I think they're going to assume they'll sell everything they make in 2020.
Yeah, I'm sure they will, just feels like if they judge it wrong could wind up with lots of pissed off customers who can't get the version they wanted. Especially if one ends up a lot less popular than the other. Maybe they have more production capacity than assumed.
Oh definitely, I still don't know which one I want.
I rarely buy physical games anymore, but I like the option, but I prefer the look of the Digital Edition, and if it's a decent amount cheaper...
If they're identical apart from the drive, the production might be identical right up until the end, I do think they'll use pre-order data for that.
Solid show for the PS5.
Ratchet and Clank in particular looked great. CGI level graphics.
Not sure why anyone would want reconstruction over native 4K. Guess some of you like the extra blurriness and artifacts during action sequences. You can't have higher detailed 4K textures if your game runs at 1440P. I would much prefer a 4K variable resolution over any reconstruction. With VRR TV's becoming the high end and mid grade standard for TV's these consoles should be able to run 60FPS with FPS drops that will be almost unnoticeable and still much smoother than even a perfect 30FPS.
Ratchet and Clank in particular looked great. CGI level graphics.
Not sure why anyone would want reconstruction over native 4K. Guess some of you like the extra blurriness and artifacts during action sequences. You can't have higher detailed 4K textures if your game runs at 1440P. I would much prefer a 4K variable resolution over any reconstruction. With VRR TV's becoming the high end and mid grade standard for TV's these consoles should be able to run 60FPS with FPS drops that will be almost unnoticeable and still much smoother than even a perfect 30FPS.
Great video and a great way to watch the conference if you haven't already (and don't care about the talking heads).
Kinda wished they'd spliced in the higher quality trailers over the other lower quality ones but guess that might have added to the confusion
Kinda wished they'd spliced in the higher quality trailers over the other lower quality ones but guess that might have added to the confusion
Oh, I'm really pissed off that Ratchet isn't 60fps. I thought that was going to be a lock for next gen Ratchet. Yes the raytracing and particle effects etc are really cool but I'd take 60fps over them any day of the week for the game. The PS2 games were 60fps.
Still my most anticipated PS5 exclusive, but.. yeah.. not impressed by that decision tbh.
Edit: wonder if there will be an unlocked framerate option that makes use of VRR at least.
come on dude, let's not even start with this. Zoom into a 1/16 corner of that Vita screen and then maybe you can call it a comparison. Vita has a 544p resolution for fucks sake.
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just not as soft
I'm not angry at all. But i'm going to go ahead and point out ridiculous comparisons as ridiculous.
i'm just comparing the visual phenomenon. the artifacts in the horizon screens look like what you get with subnative handheld games which isn't what i was expecting when i first opened them.
Agreed. At least not all the time and not every layer and part of the frame.
the indie games (LDI,Kena,Stray) aren't ones I expect to incorporated stuff like VRS (kena is DX11, so that's a definite no), but Ratchet and Horizon probably will
Thank you. I've never seen 4k displays in person so I forgot to consider the pixel density.
That's my guess too. 4k games at first because it's easier for devs and then reconstruction further into the generation as developers become more familiar with the hardware.
But honestly I don't really know...
Dark1x Dictator since you guys were wondering which games were Unreal Engine during the video:
www.unrealengine.com
Unreal Engine developers shine at PlayStation 5 showcase
PlayStation’s Future of Gaming reveal event provided a look at many of the games coming to PS5.
www.unrealengine.com
Dark1x Dictator since you guys were wondering which games were Unreal Engine during the video:
Unreal Engine developers shine at PlayStation 5 showcase
PlayStation’s Future of Gaming reveal event provided a look at many of the games coming to PS5.
Unreal Engine going to be king of the hill nextgen again.
Fuck I really need to up my game with UE.
Was pathless part of the show? I don't remember seeing it but oh man is this on my list of must haves now. Absolutely loved abzu and this just looks fantastic.Dark1x Dictator since you guys were wondering which games were Unreal Engine during the video:
Unreal Engine developers shine at PlayStation 5 showcase
PlayStation’s Future of Gaming reveal event provided a look at many of the games coming to PS5.