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EvilBoris

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I like to see it going in,
I believe that's how it works. Something along those lines. How many games you can suspend depends on the size of the game, it seems. It was suggested that you could do maybe 5-6 Series X games but more with BC titles.

Perhaps it is simply a limit of whatever cache partition is set aside for OS features. If you are dumping that 5/6x 13.5GB of ram into that cache, then that is 50GB set aside.
Whereas that would be 70-80gbish taken away from user storage (assuming that the full 13.5gb of GPU/CPU memory is dumped)

For an Xbox One and X games are 5GB and 9GB of Memory useage each.
I wonder if it's hidden away or if users will be able to choose how much space they can reserve for it?
 

NineTailSage

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Jan 26, 2020
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Hidden Leaf
Wow. That is some beautifully orientated pieces of hardware. Damn that's sexy.

Microsoft has extended the Nintendo Switch level of hardware modularity to their console now and it was pretty amazing to watch this hardware presentation. It really goes to show how much thought Microsoft put into this consoles design and it's crazy that right before The Game Awards 2019 the consensus was how far behind Sony, Microsoft was!
 

III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't know, taking apart Apple hardware where everything is soldered and glued together is nothing like that, right? The Mac Pro is different, but that's about it.
You can take quite a bit apart of the Mac mini- you have to pull the guts out even to upgrade the RAM, which is what I did. Went from 8 to 32 GB. No way to upgrade SSD. Also my old iMac I have taken apart, it had a discrete mobile GPU and all sorts of swappable components if you don't mind doing the work.
 

Thatguy

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Oct 27, 2017
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I just read the Eurogamer article. Very impressive. This is the first time Microsoft has felt focused on making a console for me (focused on core gaming and tons of qol upgrades for core gaming). Does anyone know what the VR situation is or what the fan noise situation is?
 

Peek-a-boo!

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Oct 30, 2017
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It is going to be a tight squeeze to get that six inches in my entertainment center

Honestly, this is my biggest bugbear with the Xbox Series X.

A lot of handmade oak/wooden TV units are not only low, but has shallow shelf space(s) at the bottom, and this isn't going to fit in those...

Although I won't be buying any of these new consoles until 2022 at the earliest, I would like at least one of them to fit inside my TV unit, as there's nowhere else to sensibly put this in my tiny country cottage.
 

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Honestly, this is my biggest bugbear with the Xbox Series X.

A lot of handmade oak/wooden TV units are not only low, but has shallow shelf space(s) at the bottom, and this isn't going to fit in those...

Although I won't be buying any of these new consoles until 2022 at the earliest, I would like at least one of them to fit inside my TV unit, as there's nowhere else to sensibly put this in my tiny country cottage.
I have no problems buying from that hardware team ASAP, especially when hw turnaround is like 3 years now
 

bsigg

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just read the Eurogamer article. Very impressive. This is the first time Microsoft has felt focused on making a console for me (focused on core gaming and tons of qol upgrades for core gaming). Does anyone know what the VR situation is or what the fan noise situation is?

No louder than the One X and VR is currently not a focus but Phil said he's always looking at it and MS is actively engaged in helping develop VR with Windows Mixed Reality and their support of the various other headsets.
 

Chimpzy

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Dec 5, 2018
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Used to be duct taping two Gamecubes together got you a Wii, but now it's an Xbox Series X? And you don't actually need the duct tape?

Amazing how far duct tape technology has come.
 
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Wanna say Dark1x Dictator as you guys are here. Congrats. Think it shows that companies feel they need to invite you for such things is a token of the good work you guys do.
 

Mr.Deadshot

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Oct 27, 2017
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I just read the Eurogamer article. Very impressive. This is the first time Microsoft has felt focused on making a console for me (focused on core gaming and tons of qol upgrades for core gaming). Does anyone know what the VR situation is or what the fan noise situation is?
VR isn't off the table but not a focus now. If you are interested in VR just get a gaming PC and you will have the best of both worlds. Or wait for PS5 details but I don't think they will launch with PSVR2.
 

Pargon

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Oct 27, 2017
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I only watched abit of it without sound. The inside looks packed. I wonder how hot this will get.
The heatsink is large and airflow across it looks fairly unrestricted. I don't think it will be a problem.

This is Apple levels of hardware porn.
Not quite. It looks far less dense than something like the 2013 Mac Pro. Steve Jobs would not have been happy with all the empty space inside the enclosure:
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/10/in-praise-of-bad-steve/246242/ said:
When engineers working on the very first iPod completed the prototype, they presented their work to Steve Jobs for his approval. Jobs played with the device, scrutinized it, weighed it in his hands, and promptly rejected it. It was too big.

The engineers explained that they had to reinvent inventing to create the iPod, and that it was simply impossible to make it any smaller. Jobs was quiet for a moment. Finally he stood, walked over to an aquarium, and dropped the iPod in the tank. After it touched bottom, bubbles floated to the top.

"Those are air bubbles," he snapped. "That means there's space in there. Make it smaller."
It does look very smartly designed, though I do wonder about the airflow.
It looks like only 1/3 of the fan is actually doing real work, but since that's such an "obvious" thing, I'm sure it's been considered in the design and cost of the system.

I believe that's how it works. Something along those lines. How many games you can suspend depends on the size of the game, it seems. It was suggested that you could do maybe 5-6 Series X games but more with BC titles.
I don't expect the size of the game to matter, just how much RAM it's using.
I believe hibernation on PC has an expectation of a 25% reduction in size via compression, so a rough estimate would be that 13.5GB RAM available to games means using ~10GB on the SSD to suspend an XSX game.
With XB1/X1X/360 games I expect that to be much lower, and with bigger drives you could suspend more games. They probably reserve something like 5% of the disk.
 

Betamaxbandit

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Jan 30, 2018
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great so looks like I'm going to spend a grand to keep Most of my games at the ready. I don't see any way that Sony is going to exceed this technical hurdle so I'd expect 1tb from them as well as some way to use an external ssd that is t proprietary I hope.

I think by "offloading" any games that you may want to play at a later date to the external usb drive it will help mitigate the issue somewhat. it will certainly be more efficient than downloading them again.

I would love larger storage but at the same time I don't have too much of an issue managing the space on my current drives as it is.
 

Prine

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Phil's Blacked box. Relentless with that big dick energy.
 

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It really does feel like this is the first console in a while that spared no expense to be as state of the art as possible. Last gen seemed pretty pedestrian in comparison.
 

T002 Tyrant

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If it weren't for potential exclusives such as Silent Hill rumored for PS5, I'd be mighty tempted by the Series X. Then again maybe I'll get a Series X and wait for the PC version of whatever Sony exclusive comes up.
 

Windows-PC

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Oct 28, 2017
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I can't wait to get my hands on my own XBox Series X. And I love how open Microsoft is and that they keep their fans updated! This made may day, thanks Dark1x :)
 

piratecap

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Oct 27, 2017
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Sorry if i didn't pay enough attention, but is there a 1tb SSD inside, included with the series x. And we can upgrade it with another 1tb ssd with the strange port? Sounds expensive..
 

mutantmagnet

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Oct 28, 2017
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Hands on impressions? I was seriously thinking both PS5 and Xbox SEX would have been delayed but with this presentation I doubt MS will delay their release.
 

a.wd

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Oct 26, 2017
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This has me salivating, from the DF article

The final component in the triumvirate is an extension to DirectX - DirectStorage - a necessary upgrade bearing in mind that existing file I/O protocols are knocking on for 30 years old, and in their current form would require two Zen CPU cores simply to cover the overhead, which DirectStorage reduces to just one tenth of single core.

"Plus it has other benefits," enthuses Andrew Goossen. "It's less latent and it saves a ton of CPU. With the best competitive solution, we found doing decompression software to match the SSD rate would have consumed three Zen 2 CPU cores. When you add in the IO CPU overhead, that's another two cores. So the resulting workload would have completely consumed five Zen 2 CPU cores when now it only takes a tenth of a CPU core. So in other words, to equal the performance of a Series X at its full IO rate, you would need to build a PC with 13 Zen 2 cores. That's seven cores dedicated for the game: one for Windows and shell and five for the IO and decompression overhead."
 

Fezan

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Oct 26, 2017
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Dictator Given that we have a die size now 360mm much shorter than expected 400mm do you think there are difference between xboxsx Vs PS5 CPU. Maybe series X has cut down L3 cache. That would mean Ryzen 1 Vs Ryzen 3 performance.
 

MysticGon

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Oct 31, 2017
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There were a pair of Series X systems running all day long side by side at the test site. The air from the top was certainly warm but the machines didn't feel overly hot or anything. They're also insanely quiet.

Microsoft just keeps talking dirty to me...

Your move Sony, with that repurposed jet turbine you call a console.
 

noesch

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Oct 31, 2017
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Damn near silent 95% of the time.

Posts like this make me wonder if my One X is broken. I can definitely hear the fan 95% of the time. It's far from my PS4 slim but it's not quiet as soon as you start a demanding game. It's also pretty new. I bought the Star Wars bundle just two months ago (I got it for 230 Euros so I couldn't resist even though I'm buying a Series X day one). I have to admit that I'm pretty sensitive to loud sound. Even if I use the speakers of my TV I rarely turn the volume higher than 6 on my Samsung. I also read on the internet that I would need an amp for my Beyerdynamic MMX 300 (32 Ohm) in order to get good and loud enough sound, but when I plug it in my controller and have the volume at 50% it's more than enough for me. So maybe it's me.

Still, I'm wondering if I should contact support since I keep reading again and again that One X is completely silent and I can't confirm.
 
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I am impressed with the design, because they opted to think outside of the "box" and came up with a sort of mini tower case as a function of having better cooling as apposed to the traditional console design. Similarly I was also impressed by the compact design of the Xbox X, and its silent cooling, showing that they really improved on that front compared to the VCR of the original Xone.

Although I am not interested in getting one, in general compared to previous console reveals it seems that not many people are that excited about it either.