This is really fucked up and not surprising in the least.
Hope they clamp down on this fuckery soon, forced crossplay is NOT acceptable.
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Dexerto: Warzone players demand cross-play changes as hackers make it “unplayable”
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This is really fucked up and not surprising in the least.
Hope they clamp down on this fuckery soon, forced crossplay is NOT acceptable.
Even just pure XIM gives K/BM + the aim assist you'd get from a controller.
BUT, Sony themselves sell an officially licensed adapter (TAC PRO), so that for sure is not considered a cheat.
What you're saying is just not true. It's not nearly as strong as you're suggesting. In any case:
This is officially licensed by Sony. It's not a cheat.
Having said that, it is an advantage. But a SCUF controller is also an advantage. The NES Advantage joystick was... well that was shit, but you get my point.
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It's a much bigger advantage than you're pretending, and there is a HUGE difference between a licensed mouse peripheral which is likely natively supported by the game rather than a mouse emulating an analog stick - usually when you use a mouse input the game doesn't allow aim assist, which was my entire point. It's huge.What you're saying is just not true. It's not nearly as strong as you're suggesting. In any case:
This is officially licensed by Sony. It's not a cheat.
Having said that, it is an advantage. But a SCUF controller is also an advantage. The NES Advantage joystick was... well that was shit, but you get my point.
I mean no offense, but you're wrong.
This device is not "natively supported", it does the exact same thing as XIM and similar third party devices. It's just officially licensed, that's the only difference.
In my opinion, the focus should be on Cronus style devices which allow scripting, resulting in actual unfair advantages (machine inputs rather than human).
The only player that only uses a m+k in the top ten of this list of highest earners is HusKerrs. Aim assist is very strong in this game
Nope and it will probably only happen when they drop the last gen version.
True but the hurdles to do the same cheats on console are prohibitive enough that only the more dedicated people will attempt it.
that was only for the base game multi... i always turned it off... anyone thinking M&K is balanced with controller is fucking stupid... cross-play is good for just matching making speed... and nothing else... i stopped playing a long time ago.. but when a companyy just doesn't fucking care about hackers and cheaters ruining your BR.. and its just because it would cost them money... fuck that.... and them.
yeah... activision is trash.. I wish ppl would just skip this years casgrab COD and just not buy it... its being made by their C tier studio and SH has never made a good COD.
Why is the solution always to stop cross-play rather than to stop cheating? Why are PC players the problem rather than the actual cheaters and Activision's unwillingness to invest in effective anti-cheat?
I play on a controller, with probably lower or equal spec hardware to an Xbox One X and I've never cheated so I'm not sure what people like me ever did to anyone and why we should be excluded because of the actions of others. Honestly it's a little upsetting.
I play on a controller, with probably lower or equal spec hardware to an Xbox One X and I've never cheated so I'm not sure what people like me ever did to anyone and why we should be excluded because of the actions of others. Honestly it's a little upsetting.
Because stopping cross play is easier for Activision to do apparently. They seem to have no interest in stopping cheating.
It's not your fault, it's Activision's, lol. And you would be fine. It's wildly popular, you'd still find games easily.
It was lovely having our best Duo's match of the night and getting clapped by one guy who in the kill cam's was tracking us through the wall the entire time.
In Warzone, it's pretty well-balanced. I will pick that game apart for its dozens of issues & flaws, but the balance between inputs is pretty solid.
Edit: Here's former pro Tyler Polchow using a controller, playing on PC, and being the damage leader & provider of 31 kills in a game where they get 121 total:
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You are correct, however the issue for gamepad v M+K is that the ceiling of being better is much higher on M+K. That is not to say that the two controller schemes cannot play against one another without any clear advantage.
Thanks DontHateTheBacon, it definitely doesn't feel that players are aiming their angst at the right folk (Activision and cheaters) then!
And with regards to being fine, alas I only play COD with some local friends, one of whom has an Xbox, two of whom have a Playstation, so removing [PC] cross-play would effectively stop me playing entirely.
Have fab day and thanks for the response.
I don't really buy the amazing KB/M advantages for 99% of players. It only allows for the possibility of superior aim and movement. You still need a player good enough to access that. What I do buy is that PC is infested with cheaters and for that reason, I turn off crossplay. Bury those PC players in draconian anti-cheat possible and then they can come play. The problem is console really gains nothing from cross-play with PC. It has the massive userbase and a controlled environment. It's PC players that should be begging for it but they are ruining it and then they'll complain about matchmaking times.
Don't worry, they're adding sentry guns!
Don't worry, they're adding sentry guns!
It's not like cross play is something that has always been required. This is the first game that I have ever played where there is not an option to disable it. Of course it would be ideal if Activision would fix the cheating, but that is not the case as of now. All of the people I play with are fed up and disabling crossplay will immediately make the game a much better experience for xbox players.
Are you really going to use BFV as an exemple of people complaining about cheating without merit?
For real? What a joke.
I can not believe some of the responses on here. Do we need to post more examples. Those that are saying that it is not a pc specic issue, or comparing m and k to controller, or saying it is just people blaming cheating for dying are missing the point.
Jesus some gamers in here treating PC gamers like second-class citizens. All gamers deserve rights, and especially the right to a fun, hacker-free, battle royale.
I think this is a very reasonable request Ditters and I will happily get behind a toggle for Xbox players. I would however much rather it is ultimately solved for everyone by removing cheaters more effectively if I am totally honest. The goal of cross-play should, in my eyes, be to enable people to play together regardless of platform and I see that as a very valuable and virtuous aspiration in this current world for a whole bunch of social, economic and inclusivity reasons.
I also think it is worth noting that you only have to look one post above your post for an example of what is the far more usual tone of posts in these threads where platform benefits are for some reason more important than the benefits offered to actual real individuals.
Anyway, have a great afternoon and thanks for the response.
Here's all Console players want.
Temporary Fix.... Cut off PC players and have console only crossplay.
Long term fix..... Cut out the cheaters completely and go back to the normal crossplay.
It is pretty shitty that Activision gives the illusion you can turn cross-play off (might only be a PlayStation thing) but once you do that it literally takes you at least 20 minutes to be put into a game. All in all though the real problem is that Activision has just let their fucking game be taken over with hackers for a year and a half now. Absolutely bonkers that we still have to suffer with nonstop cheaters.
I don't even play games on console lol.
Cronus applications as a 'cheat' device aren't even remotely comparable to what the average PC cheater can do. You can't do aimbot or wallhacks with a cronus. It's more widespread practical use is for using different controllers like scuff or xbox controllers on ps5, or vice versa. That's why it's popular.
The fake hysteria over it is hilarious and it only ever comes up when we try to talk about the cheating problem on PC, as a way to derail and disrupt the conversation, by weird dudes that feel threatened somehow by the very discussion of cheating on PC. 'bbbbbut console players can cheat too, they just have buy a prohibitively expensive peripheral to do it!!!111'
The idea that cheating on console is even a fraction of the problem that cheating on PC is just laughably, demonstrably false. Truly, clown shit.
An unfortunate truth. Every COD I've played on PC has had the playerbase drop off drastically after a month. Still, it's probably more popular than previous COD's, considering that
A: it's free
B: it's a battle royale
It helps for a little,
But they haven't done a banwave in months seemingly.
The big thing that everyone is missing here is the top players overwhelmingly play on PC. Activision is never going to cut off cross play for this reason. It would push the top players/streamers away from the game and also cause tournament matchmaking to be slow.
Instead of whining about PC players you'd all be better served begging Activision to do the bare minimum of implementing an anti-cheat.
Instead of whining about PC players you'd all be better served begging Activision to do the bare minimum of implementing an anti-cheat.
I agree. I play with pc players. That would be ideal, but it's not reality atm
Old COD games playerbases lasted for a very long time / some still have active player bases (vCod, CoD2, CoD4) - it really died when Activision decided people couldn't host their own servers anymore and dedicated matchmaking was the only way.
Server hosting and moderation was one of the most effective ways to reduce cheating, as playing on managed servers build contacts, trust and social norms in time. And getting banned from one had an effect, as you lost those contacts as well as ability to play on most suitable servers (game type, maps, population and lowest ping).
This is a perfect video of what is wrong with this game, even when cheats aren't in play.
Yep, active moderation is pretty much a must for PC games to reduce cheating unless your anticheat is *really* good (Valorant) - but even then I do wonder how long they can stay ahead.
Call of Duty games even had an active anticheat for those games (Punkbuster), it's amazing they've found a way to regress in every way over time.
Maybe PunkBuster isn't as effective as VAC and COD needs toa dopt something more efficicient.
Now you're shifting the goalposts from "cheating isnt a problem on console" to "cheating exists but its so much less of a problem", when it doesn't matter because CHEATING STILL EXISTS. You've still got people running about with laser aim and all sorts of other input macros that will mince you to pieces. You really trying to say you could outshoot someone with perfect aim, if you catch each other one on one? How about when you can't even see them across the entire map but they've managed to spot you and land a headshot at an unbelievable distance, all via aim assists? Get serious.
Also Cronus Zen's aren't "prohibitively expensive". They're £70. Most cheat suites for games will cost that PER MONTH. Get your head out of your ass and breathe some reality.
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I ain't reading all that
I'm happy for you tho
Or sorry that happened
Wow, this is what I caught a ban for?
Hmmm
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