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Devs react to PS5 specs - Twitter edition
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That you compare Matt to Tommy Fisher is more than enough to know spending time arguing with you is not worth my time.
And another one makes my VIP list, that makes 3 this morning. Not bad for a lockdown Sunday...
I'm convinced this is a fake troll account, no other explanation, right?
For the last year Ive been using my Pro for Sony exclusives and my X for everything else, it looks like next gen will be exactly the same.
Even if Sony has a huge edge with that SSD, its only first party games that will be designed around it.
Even if Sony has a huge edge with that SSD, its only first party games that will be designed around it.
This is incorrect. Mr. Cerny's presentation actually said that there's a whole range of different levels of RT possible, from raytraced audio all the way up to full path tracing, as in Minecraft.
They did not.
But please note that the Microsoft patent for VRS, as is typical, references multiple existing patents for related ideas. One of these patents that already existed is by Mark Cerny.
It never had a chance. Nor any other next gen thread, mind.
I'd really love it if someone had info on AMD's primitive shaders vs mesh shaders, I'm seeing articles that primitive shaders were fixed in the 5700 series but I can't find exactly what they do and how they differ from mesh shaders.
I'm especially interested because both Cerny and Matt Hargett brought up primitive shaders specifically but did not mention mesh shaders anywhere.
Then, 3rd party games will still need to take into account the base XB1/PCs and their HDD.
Main difference between the two next gen consoles will slight variances in resolution and maybe fps consistency. Textures, settings, etc will most likely be identical.
I've reported this poster, don't waste your time with their posts.
A mesh is just a collection of primitives. I'd say chances are extremely high that these are two terms for the exact same thing. (This doesn't mean it can't be achieved with different protocols, of course.)
Let's see:
Matt Philips (Big Evil Corp) --> Not Sony dev
he says that Tflops don't matter and are not a measure.
Well, he only creates 8BIT 2D games. Of course TFLOPS Don't matter To them.
Randy Pitchford (Gearbox) --> Not Sony dev
gearbox? Isn't Sony ps5 first console exclusive game GODFALL created by.... GEARBOX
Yeah, very unbiased.
Robert Boyd (Zeboyd Games) --> Not Sony dev
Same as above, only 2D/8 Bit Games. Of course they don't care about power difference.
Andrea Pessino (Ready at Dawn) --> Not Sony dev
They created multiple PS4 exclusive games. Saying they are not biased towards Sony is a stretch
Dale North (composer) --> Not Sony dev
He says:
PS5 has custom audio hardware called Tempest that has tons of power to audio magic. Hundreds of 3d sound sources possible, power left over for things like convolution reverb!
Microsoft has the same, dedicated audio hardware and Audio ray tracing. No difference here
Olivier JT (VR audio) --> Not Sony dev is the same
as dale north
Jason Nuyens (Breakfall) --> Not Sony dev same as above, creates only 2D games. Meh.
Yeah we don't have this whole thread full of third party devs saying the exact same thing. You are literally making a fool of yourself you console warrior troll.
Good job moving the goal post. You said there are no 3rd parties praising the PS5, you're shown there are, then you change to they have to be either not working on a PS5 game(like Godfall) or it needs to be a AAA-level big budget game.
Vega's primitive shaders never got off the ground, but mesh shaders would use the GE. The mesh shaders generate the designated number of primitives and their attributes.
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EDIT: Moderators must do a better job at cleaning up these boards. If this past week is any indication this board will be insufferable when the new consoles launch. I know it's hard but you have to be diligent in striking down bad faith actors. We've all been on the internet long enough to know one when you see one.
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So, you are saying Sony is not using the full RDNA 2.0 feature set - as I said - and instead use their own custom features?
Come one. This is ridiculous. Really reaching for straws here:
God damn never seen blatant goal post moving so hard before lol
Ask about 3rd party devs, shown 3rd party devs so changes the narrative
Ask about 3rd party devs, shown 3rd party devs so changes the narrative
Everyone should stop replying to Turkishflavor & put him on ignore. He's not worth the energy.
Gearbox is publishing not creating Godfall. We also have ID developers praising it.... You are the one grasping for straws.
be serious, come on. they are developing a game exclusively for Sony, of course they are biased.
Or someone who only creates low budget 2D 8-bit games, why would they care about TFLOPS and the power difference? Their games will look the same even on PS3 lol that's not what this is about here! And you know that. Stop reaching for straws.
oh. Because I'm not a Sony fanboy? Well, you could also tell me where I'm wrong. Did Sony announce VRS? No. Did Sony announce PS1-3 BC? No.
Only see a lot of wishful thinking here.
Turkishflavor your posts remind me of the hilarious garbage I saw back in my GameTrailers forum days. Thank you for the laughs and nostalgia.
Thanks both of you, I appreciate the response. :)
Never said that, but we are talking about the POWER DIFFERENCE in games, and their games NEVER even reach the full potential of XBOX360/PS3, why should their opinion matter when we talk about Xbox series X and PS5 power difference? Why?
It's not like it would matter to them in any way, because their games won't teach that in a million years anyway.
This is just delusional.
Again, did Sony announce VRS/full RDNA 2.0 feature set? Did Sony announce full PS1-3 BC?
I feel like I'm back on GameFAQs reading a post like this. Christ Almighty.
Not giving in to your bait, responding to that means you'll continue to push your delusion.
I'm not giving you what you want, sorry. : )
No, it isn't. They're just the publisher.
Incorrect. Microsoft has dedicated audio hardware, and the ability to do audio RT. But it's different hardware, with different goals and a different approach.
They may still refer to VRS, as this term appears to be patented by AMD, not by Microsoft.
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Oh I forgot, ITT we only praise glorious Sony, they have the stringed console and best developed console of all time!
So amazing architecture!
So amazing architecture!
So the PS5 is less powerful than the Xbox SX. So what? Sony's brand was always about powerful, yet consumer accessible technology.
The PS1, PS2 and PS4 were all powerful consoles, but there was a compromise to ensure the price was still appealing to the market. The PS3 was the exception, and is widely considered to have been a strategic mistake. Why do people here want Sony to make another PS3? The PS5 is more than powerful enough, it is going to be a bit weaker than the Xbox, but it will be cheaper too.
The mass market ALWAYS prioritise the better value option if the systems are comparable. The difference between Xbox and PS5 is small enough that they will seem comparable to the vast majority of people. Sony has therefore done a great job here and effectively secured a victory in yet another console generation. If they chased MS on power, giving no thought to price and only catering to the hardest of the hardcore, that would have been a mistake.
And as we know, sales = dev support = sales. Why would anybody complain about Sony's strategy here?
The PS1, PS2 and PS4 were all powerful consoles, but there was a compromise to ensure the price was still appealing to the market. The PS3 was the exception, and is widely considered to have been a strategic mistake. Why do people here want Sony to make another PS3? The PS5 is more than powerful enough, it is going to be a bit weaker than the Xbox, but it will be cheaper too.
The mass market ALWAYS prioritise the better value option if the systems are comparable. The difference between Xbox and PS5 is small enough that they will seem comparable to the vast majority of people. Sony has therefore done a great job here and effectively secured a victory in yet another console generation. If they chased MS on power, giving no thought to price and only catering to the hardest of the hardcore, that would have been a mistake.
And as we know, sales = dev support = sales. Why would anybody complain about Sony's strategy here?
Oh I forgot, ITT we only praise glorious Sony, they have the stringed console and best developed console of all time!
So amazing architecture!
What a glorious meltdown. Please give me more.
Nah, only developers who don't actually develop for a console can praise it! That way even though they have no experience with the console they're at least unbiased!! /s
I would like to take some time out to thank the artists, programmers, and other industry workers who have given us some actual valuable insight into these new consoles and what we can expect. It's the only thing that's made reading through these threads tolerable! :)
No difference in the sense that using audio would also don't use any other resources, because they have dedicated hardware - just like Sony - so in that sense they are the same. It's not a power advantage.
Yeah, THEY MAY refer, but they didn't. Why didn't they? They didn't mention anything like that... because? We only have a mod here confirm it, but Sony themselves not. Why shouldn't they? They had a technical deep dive, why not mention it there?
no meltdown. Just saying the truth though. But again, we will see the future DF threads how it will turn out and how the games compare graphically and performance wise.
Both have a GPU and a CPU so there is no reason to discuss if one or the other have a better solution as well then.
PS5=XsX confirmed
so, a mod here confirms VRS for PS5. But in their technical deep dive Sony did not mention it. And I'm the one doing mental gymnastics? Hm. Yeah. Totally makes sense. Lol
Question. Is the geometry front-end of the Primitive Shaders also fully programable like the Mesh Shaders?