Hopefully, your wife can reach back safely. I hope things de-escalate now that both sides are calling for it. It is only hurting both countries.
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Kashmir border air skirmishes UPDATE 28/02: Pakistan to release captured pilot as peace gesture
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At the very least not parade his video around on twitter (if the previous page's post is accurate). That hardly helps ease tensions. If evidence needs to be provided of capture then that can be done via proper channels, not twitter.
I don't understand what I said was so idiotic, ignorant, half blind??
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WTF is this? Are you for real? Hope you get banned for spouting such hateful shit. Trump Jr. right here...
This is a good thing. Its specific to the no-fly zone enforced by India over Indian airspace - but I hope that it reflects both countries deciding to dial things back now.
Via proper channels, so Indian media can deny it as usual? Like they're still denying it?
That's the first post I ever reported. Shit just isn't acceptable.
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India's military procurement programmes are famous for being some of the most chaotic in the world, to the point that even Russia is no longer keen on them. They miss deadline after deadline, shoehorn bizarre clauses (formal or informal) and pit competitors in less than desirable ways. That and incredible levels of corruption at all concebible levels. Those are some of the reasons why India has been struggling to modernise their air force while spending big bucks on the indigenous HAL Tejas programme.
Pakistan is equally corrupt, but they seem to keep their shit together in comparison or push forward with purchases anyway.
Who cares about the Indian media? Any negotiations on this matter should be made between the governments who can then pass on the relevant information to the local media.
Every damn thread. India and Pakistan have had multiple actual wars while having nuclear weapons and we're all still here. Get a grip.
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Reports are coming that one SU-30 has also been shot down and his pilot is also captured. and seeing the recent record i expect this to be true also.
Sensibility returning on other side of the border.
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Not taking any questions and fled the scene. Great. Compare that to Pakistan's army spokesman who took questions from journalists.
It ended very quickly. They've confirmed that an Indian jet was shot down and the pilot is MIA. Claimed that a Pakistani jet was shot down but fell on their side of the border.
Majority of Indian politician and people of India want war I don't have any idea how can you rage war on other country just by justifying it by blaming other country without any proof. Come on its not a video game or over the top movie. War is a lose-lose situation and its not nationalism that makes you cheer on war, it's your privilege.
What kind of reports though? You embedded a zero retweets / likes tweet by somebody on twitter.
Although they didn't mention him by name in the briefing, he is almost certainly the same one arrested by Pakistan, Abhinandan Varthaman.
Pakistan is claiming that they have another Indian pilot who had to be taken to a hospital, but there is currently no evidence about this from either side.
Heres a recap from the Indian update:
1. PAF responded to the IAF counter terrorism action by targetting Indian Military Installations.
2. Indian Military readiness foiled the attack which then missed all targets. This was action was suggested to be an air to air engagement.
3. In this skirmish a PAF F-16 was shot down by a MiG 21 Bison and observed crashing in Pakistan territory.
4. In the same skirmish an IAF MiG-21 Bison was lost and its pilot is MIA.
1. PAF responded to the IAF counter terrorism action by targetting Indian Military Installations.
2. Indian Military readiness foiled the attack which then missed all targets. This was action was suggested to be an air to air engagement.
3. In this skirmish a PAF F-16 was shot down by a MiG 21 Bison and observed crashing in Pakistan territory.
4. In the same skirmish an IAF MiG-21 Bison was lost and its pilot is MIA.
I appreciate that these countries have made their own decisions, mistakes, etc and are responsible for them. I certainly would want to infantilize either, but it's quite obvious that there are major lasting effects of colonialism. Don't excuse the UK and other former colonisers of their responsibility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR_-47dqlDI
This is a livestream of CNN18 in India covering the story. Be warned they are pretty obnoxious with the flashing and constantly changing on screen graphics
This is a livestream of CNN18 in India covering the story. Be warned they are pretty obnoxious with the flashing and constantly changing on screen graphics
Indians generally overestimate India's military strength and underestimate Pakistan's military. They have not seen the ill effects of a full scale prolonged war so they ask for it. Dumb to do so really because war is never good.
I feel like this is probably the end of the escalation phase. Pakistan did respond but not in a way that requires a further repsonse from India.
Not really, the British are absolutely to be blamed for dividing the country this way and fueling the animosity. It's gradual but they were the cause.
Just like how the British are the be blamed for the Israel Palestine mess. They created and fueled problems with no solution so it was bound to get to get to a point where it becomes unsolvable. The fact that people don't even think of the original cause is proof that the animosity is so deep and has become so ingrained in the culture of these two countries that the whole thing is a permanent shitshow.
A logical person would think that. Unfortunately that's not how most people around in India would think so, and it matters what they think because of elections :/
But the disagreement between the leaders happened exactly because of the partition mentality the Brits brought. The sentiment that India won't accept Jinnah as PM existed because the Brits fueled those sentiments and made it worse. This doesn't go back to independence era, this goes back all the way to 1857.
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Given that Modi was prepared to invade Pakistani airspace to appease a warmongering public, I don't think his government is going to take the capture of a pilot very well. Like I'd commented in the last thread, this is going to get worse before it gets better.
What Modi wanted was pretty much a show of force to appease the Indian public and get him re-elected. Pakistan managing to retaliate, take down an Indian jet and capture a pilot makes the situation even worse than it was 48 hours ago. If India felt compelled to respond to Pulwama, then this is an entirely new level of escalation.
This lot is terrible - there is so much sensationalism and bullshit they spout, i'd strongly recommend anyone to NOT follow them if you have choice.
I use NDTV.com because at least their anchors seem to constantly caution against speculation and the constant 'fog of war'/misinformation that comes with these moments.
The fuck? I didn't know we had fucking terrorism apologists on Era. Do mods really slip by posts sympathizing with mass murdering sick fucks?
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At this point I think a lot of Indians want nothing short of Pakistan's re-integration with India. The war fervour here is crazy. Just yesterday, the IAF airstrike was being labelled by news channels as the 'first' strike, or the 'beginning' of a response.
There is much truth here, the divide and conquer mentality that the Brits used to rule over a 100 years was foundational in the formation of Pakistan and East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) - and it sucks because there is a lot of common ground/history/tradition that the people of the countries share. I've been fortunate to have traveled to Karachi on work and the reception and hospitality I was shown as a visiting Indian made me feel like home.
A lot of political (domestic and international) agendas/narrative manipulation and misplaced patriotism over the years have just led to the tensions on the subcontinent today.
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User Banned (2 Weeks): Conspiratorial rhetoric.
Another Speech by PM Pak, offering India to show the evidence and find the culprit of Pulwama attack and resolve issues through dialogue.
But as is evident to all sensible people that it Pulwama incident was a false flag operation by Modi Sarkar to win the election, therefore i doubt they will accept an offer of dialogue.
But as is evident to all sensible people that it Pulwama incident was a false flag operation by Modi Sarkar to win the election, therefore i doubt they will accept an offer of dialogue.
Imran Khan is giving a televised address to the nation
Pakistan 'wanted to show capability'
'We shot two Indian planes down'
Pakistan 'wanted to show capability'
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-47383889
'We shot two Indian planes down'
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Perfect response. IK continues to surprise me compared to the stooges that were Nawaz and Zardari.
How exactly did they wanted to show capabilities? lmao when IAF crossed LOC to target terrorist training camp, they had a target. I don't get what PAI was trying to prove with this stunt now we have 2 jets shot down including their own. So what exactly did they achieve?
I don't sympathize with what the Indian army is doing in Kashmir. for decades You reap what you sow. Its a daily fight for freedom for Kashmiri people. You can't just lump them with other terrorists. so casually. The real terrorist in Kashmir has been the Indian army and still is.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...in-kashmir-is-this-worlds-first-mass-blinding
Blame Pakistan for this too I suppose?
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Look I can understand IKs statement on needing to respond and show 'capability' but the bolded is a massive overreach given the evidence we have.
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No sovereign country can allow another country to become judge, jury and executioner ... PM IK
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Yes, evidence is that He was Indian, on an Indian car, used Indian ammunition, passed through Indian check post.
JeM is not a freedom fighting organisation, it's a terrorist organisation.
This particular problem is caused by JeM so you're going on a tangent by talking about freedom fighting and the rest, as for atrocities by Indian Army yes indeed they do it but those issues have existed on both sides and both sides need to fix that shit on their own.
Therefore it was a false flag operation by Modi to win re-election? That's a massive gulf in logic to overcome for anyone to arrive at your stated conclusion. I'll put in the pile of other worthless conspiracy theories (which funnily enough happens to include people saying Congress did this to make life tough for Modi - which is total bullshit as well).