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Kashmir border air skirmishes UPDATE 28/02: Pakistan to release captured pilot as peace gesture
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Nope it wasnt this is a direct quote from the CIA chief " It was decided that any effort to work with the Pakistanis could jeopardize the mission. They might alert the targets.- — CIA Chief Leon Panetta[8]"
Just to show you how hateful India is right now. They are not just taking it politically or democratically but even engaging in sports and entertainment.
Olympic body punishes India for denying visas to Pakistan team
Asian snooker body scraps Indian leg of tournament over denial of visas to Pakistani participants
India may request ICC to ban Pakistan from international cricket
How do you take such reactions from India? The BJP party that is in rule right now in India loves warmongering and nothing else. Coincidentally, Modi is a war criminal and he is the prime minister right now running an election campaign to get re-elected.
Left is video coming from Pakistan, right is the File video of the crash in 2016. WIll see if I can capture the full comparison shown.
Left is video coming from Pakistan, right is the File video of the crash in 2016. WIll see if I can capture the full comparison shown.
Like I said most of their material comes out of Twitter with grainy choppy quality video...
Pakistan didn't even use F16 in this operation lol. Pakistan instead of escalating the conflict targeted open areas near Indian army supply depots in 3 locations. They were warning shots. Then Indian jets violated the airspace and 2 planes were shot down in self-defense. 2 pilots arrested. Documents of these pilots shown. 1 pilot injured shifted to hospital.
Here is the complete list of airports north of Saharanpur that have been shut:
Leh, Jammu, Srinagar, Shimla, Dharamshala, Kullu, Ludhiana, Adampur,Bhatinda,Pathankot, Chandigarh, Amritsar,Dehradun, Pantnagar.
Lot of air traffic to be affected.
Leh, Jammu, Srinagar, Shimla, Dharamshala, Kullu, Ludhiana, Adampur,Bhatinda,Pathankot, Chandigarh, Amritsar,Dehradun, Pantnagar.
Lot of air traffic to be affected.
But if you go by the Pakistani update that we bugged outta there the moment they showed up, along with the fact that the Indian side refuses to give proof so far, you would get the implication that we did jack shit, right? All the Pakistani response today did is reaffirm that we did hit more than just trees and dirt.
Oh yes, we all believe Pakistan army wants peace just like during Kargil.
Violation of airspace isn't normal. Indian army posts could have been targeted but that would have led to escalation hence open spaces near them were chosen to act as warning shots.
Live in the past forever. India violated Pakistan's airspace and that isn't allowed plain simple. Boundaries are there for a reason no?
Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. There is just no confirmed source and India can't even provide a satellite image of the targets, which should be easy, right?
On the Pakistani side, there is video from the location on the ground that shows craters, some damaged homes and an injured local. At least that is what I have seen so far. I can't personally go there to check and verify myself but the media personnel was allegedly invited and visited that location so there's that.
Are you serious you are accusing someone of conspiracy while saying Pakistan is in support of terrorism without any proof. I am really anti war and really really hope the things will not escalate more but India approach Pakistan first and Pakistan just retaliate. And Pakistan is proving by various videos that they indeed destroy 2 aircrafts of India but the funny thing is India is claiming they killed 300 people but they cannot provide or have any proof. Please just don't say something without any proof if you're saying Pakistan is responsible for Pulwana attack please back it with some concrete proof and then we can furthure dialogue or discussion.
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Stop labeling freedom fighters as terrorists please. Thank you
Freedom Fighters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks
Kargil War is all proof one should need.
I'm not sure where or how Bharat Rakshak gets its information from, but its IAF officer database does list a pilot named Abhinandan Varthaman with the same service ID that the captured pilot says. The link is from Archive.org because I can't access their site directly, but the archived copy is from 2017.
It's really pathetic. Basically "my dad is stronger than your dad" except with nuclear weapons involved.
Horrible attitude, if someone is calling for peace whilst only engaging when they have a right to shouldn't be brushed off as pandering. India have been the aggressor from what I've read on BBC, its the second time they've flown into the PAK airspace. They need to calm down
Pissing content, over there the govt and the media, over here the members of ERA. On both sides.
Been 70 years, nothing has changed.
Been 70 years, nothing has changed.
Erm? Pretty much every western country (+ Russia) says Pakistan sponsors terrorism (At least it's military). What more proof do you need?
Indian army general himself admitted the bomb that was must have been procured locally and a Kashmiri resident used it who apparently was shot in the leg by Indian army a few years back. Act aggressively against animals and they will bite back. Here they are gunning down teenagers and innocent civilians in Kashmir and expect no retaliation?
40 Indian soldiers were killed by a terrorist organization backed by Pakistan.
Don't wanna thread police but could we keep the discussion about this incident at the forefront as opposed to debating who's a terrorist or not?
cartoon_soldier malik180 take it to the DMs fam.
cartoon_soldier malik180 take it to the DMs fam.
And yet more Pakistan soldiers have sacrificed their lives fighting against terrorists. Double more than USA. Yet Pak army sponsors terrorists to get killed by them hmmm strange isnt it
Done, I will just stick to posting updates on the developing situation.
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An attack done by Indian citizen on an Indian car with Indian ammunition is backed by Pakistan. WOW. haven't seen this much logic less claim on era ever before.
Dude UBL was hiding in their heartland, was hunted and killed there...I doubt people need proof, its about acting on it which most of the world shy's away from...
Ok, then this is reply for 26/11 Mumbai attacks. Go defend that one. Better late than never.
Because good terrorists - one who attacks India, Iran and ISAF Forces in Afghanistan
Bad Terrorists - One who attacks Pakistan military
Meh, It's no use arguing with Pakistanis, they still refute the killing of Osama in Pakistan lol
What about Balochistan's 'freedom fighters' that Pakistan has been systematically wiping out? Why don't you guys call them freedom fighters.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/balochistan-pakistans-secret-dirty-war
ERA really needs some sort of "fog of war" policy on news for situations like this.
As well as some sort of concrete policy on how to moderate users between two warring nations.
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The United States was also an 'aggressor' when it violated Pakistani airspace and captured UBL (a terrorist), India has just done the same thing...attacked a terror camp operating in Pakistani soil...When any western power does it for their national interest its not labelled as aggression, just because India stands up for ONCE, everyone loses their mind.
Can one person who has been defending the Pakistan side here show any tangible evidence that there are no terror camps in Pakistan, if that is the case how did UBL land up there next to their version of Quantico for eons.
Pakistan will and never let go of these elements because that is what controls the nation. The ISI, the military and the so called 'freedom fighters'. Their ideas of democracy/free will/ right to live are so inextricably tied to an ideology that is flawed and wasted.
Dude the countries have been independant for over half a century. Were not going to blame it on some ages old colonialism etc... thats just reductionist as hell. India Pakistan issues are their own thing. Hardly anyone thinks about its original British influence etc etc. Quite frankly the concept is somewhat demeaning both are indepedant countries with their own agendas not stuck in some 1950s colonial hangover.
Pakistan Downs Indian Jets in Worst Escalation Since 1971 War
Is it still fake news now?
Photo of the aircraft captured by AFP.
Is it still fake news now?
Photo of the aircraft captured by AFP.
Dude the entire conflict stems from the partition. We are literally the same people.
And you wanna talk about being reductionist? Have you read the last few replies?
The root cause of the conflict is varied
India and Pakistan were also created due to disagreements between leaders of the nations and the British. Its not like we went no dont break us up and they insisted on it.
Yes same people overall. But the history since is our own so yeah I definitely find it ridiculous to think of it as a British remnant and not our fault. Our problem no point blaming some colonial boogeyman.
Finally I will agree some of the posts in this thread are people ridiculously entrenched in thier position with just snipes at one another.
EDIT: Partly why I've mostly avoided the threads some of the posts are borderline wacko.
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I think the problem actually lies there, Pakistan's society has not really evolved since the 1950s, where in comparison the middle calsses in India have evolved quite a lot, their middle calss still harbor hatred over the elements of the partition which has propagated to supporting state sponsored terrorism. I'd really be curious to see if Imran Khan lasts one full term or the army doesn't come barging in and takes charge...