Sub 30 frames per second will still be a thing next-gen. Unless we are expecting 30fps720p and even then not all studios are created equally.
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Developers of next-gen games won't have any excuses for subpar performance
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If they continue to try and push the envelope visually then we'll still see games that struggle unfortunately.
Personally, I'll say the same thing I said in 2013. I'd be happy with this gens graphics at 1080(4K now)/60 with full AA and improved textures/lighting.
Personally, I'll say the same thing I said in 2013. I'd be happy with this gens graphics at 1080(4K now)/60 with full AA and improved textures/lighting.
This problem won't be resolved until we reach graphics no different to reality at 120fps, probably about 25yrs off that.
That is precisely why we will reach that point. At a certain point hardware will outpace developer's abilities to use that hardware due to budgetary concerns.
It already happened to an extent this gen. Unfortunately, 4K is free to implement which increases the performance burden by 4X4, and Tracing will be relatively cheap if support is built into engines like UE.
You're thinking too small.
Vision will always outpace tools for execution.
I can't count the number of gens I legit thought, "We've peaked. It can't get any better than this."
But nature always finds a way.
While I agree with the dogpile that people say this every generation, I do think this generation has been one of the most stable and consistent with performance and it suggests the trend will remain next gen. Most PS4 and X1 games hold their framerate targets pretty well -- dynamic scaling has helped a lot IMO.
The consoles for this hardware gen were devised with a lot of developer input and this seems true for the next, and the scalability tools are only getting better. While I don't think developers have "no" excuse, I think they will have a lot more options under their belt to ensure stable and consistent experiences.
The consoles for this hardware gen were devised with a lot of developer input and this seems true for the next, and the scalability tools are only getting better. While I don't think developers have "no" excuse, I think they will have a lot more options under their belt to ensure stable and consistent experiences.
Sure, some developers will. But that number will become increasingly small. I mean, Red Dead was the only game Rockstar released this gen and must have cost hundreds of millions. When your game development cycle becomes longer than the typical console cycle you've hit a breaking point.
This isn't a actually true. This gen has had far smoother frame rates than the 360/PS3 gen, and it's had more 60fps games too. I believe this focus on frame rate will increase into next gen.
The moment I heard these new consoles would be able to do ray tracing this has been my fear. Some developers won't be able to resist having that bullet point on the box, frame rate be damned.
You do realize OP that most of devs will favor graphics over FPS and performance, and even the leaked multiplatform game on PS5 with fancy UE4 graphics is still struggling between 25-30 in its current unoptimised version on PS5 devkit prototype 1?
This fucking attitude is what makes GAMING horrible. Eww, the fuck kind of recliner are you sitting on?!
And no, each game development scenario is different. Each has their own dynamic deadlines, goals, rules and characteristics that come from their unique employees. And that's not even the tip of the iceberg to being to understand what every employee does that is involved with making a video game.
To set a default line in the sand because of whatever reasons, with no source of evidence to prove your theory, is stupid as fuck. Yeah sure Jan lets all just sign a law of gaming so that everyone knows that each game is made the exact same way with the Same performance and same bla blah blah - fuck this elitist shit. Call you the fuck out with that bulllshit.
And no, each game development scenario is different. Each has their own dynamic deadlines, goals, rules and characteristics that come from their unique employees. And that's not even the tip of the iceberg to being to understand what every employee does that is involved with making a video game.
To set a default line in the sand because of whatever reasons, with no source of evidence to prove your theory, is stupid as fuck. Yeah sure Jan lets all just sign a law of gaming so that everyone knows that each game is made the exact same way with the Same performance and same bla blah blah - fuck this elitist shit. Call you the fuck out with that bulllshit.
Performance is a choice, of course. Even N64 games could have stable good framerates. But as we get more and more powerful consoles, the cost-benefit of using the performance for better visuals instead of stable performance and high framerates begins to shift a bit in favor of the performance side. With next gen consoles I expect that more devs will reach the conclusion that good framerates are better than better visuals, because of the diminishing returns of increasing visuals. But I don't think that it will be a huge difference, I think we will see only a moderate amount of better framerates than current gen titles.
First party devs will optimize for sure. Third party will continue to be a crapshoot.
4K/30fps with RT will be fine for most games. Don't want to see any shooters(Destiny) or racers(Drive Club) running at 30fps though.
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Lol at people sweating and trying to talk down the nextgen consoles.
The gap is closing......
No seriously, im expecting even more smoother games this time at launch.
The gap is closing......
No seriously, im expecting even more smoother games this time at launch.
That's because they've been designed around that bottom of the barrel limitation, with a bunch of assists like auto aim built in. That's not even how responsive the game actually is, see the difference in 30fps gaming when comparing something like Killzone 2 vs 3. There's a world of difference between a 30hz and 60hz point and shoot game. HOTD Overkill is a slow, laggy game that gives you ages to line up shots, while the HOTD 2 doesn't hesitate ripping your nose off because it was designed using a CRT gun at 60fps instead of the slower Wii Mote at 30fps.
There's always an excuse. From new tech they weren't ready for, to rushed deadlines to make the console launch window to even them claiming their pursuit for graphical fidelity and techniques was worth the unstable framerate as they didn't want to leave unused overhead. Even at 1080 don't expect a locked 30FPS in most cases, especially not if the some trends of forcing downscalling continues
And were developed at the very end of the gen as well.
People have said this at the dawn of every single new console generation, and every single time they've been wrong.
How long have you been playing videogames, OP?
You can bet your ass developers will cram
in so much shit and visual effects that they'll easily find ways to get shit performance.
How long have you been playing videogames, OP?
You can bet your ass developers will cram
in so much shit and visual effects that they'll easily find ways to get shit performance.
Next gen we get a console without a crappy cpu.
We were never going to see good peak performance. One thing about cpus especially vs jaguars is the kind of class of cpu we get ryzen doesn't have horrible minimum frame timing in games they've benched.
I genuinely look forward to see how devs figure out how to bottom out pretty good apis with decent ram architecture and damn good solid gpu and cpu fundementals. Gamecube wishes and PS4 wish they could be as good as what we got coming.
Easy, they don't care about it. Most players don't even know it's a problem. It's been blown completely out of proportion.
You seem to be under the asumption that developers will be using all of next-gen console powers to make games have perfect performance, rather than having better visuals. There hasn't been anything in history to back that up :)
"Hold my beer"...
In the same vein of gamers repeating the same nonsense every generation, who else is looking forward to hottakes about games not looking any better than this gen or about 1080p still being plenty or how whatever advancement happens doesn't make a difference or isn't important?
In the same vein of gamers repeating the same nonsense every generation, who else is looking forward to hottakes about games not looking any better than this gen or about 1080p still being plenty or how whatever advancement happens doesn't make a difference or isn't important?
Exactly. They are doing so out of ignorance. But you have knowledge they don't possess and are deciding to stoop to their level.
I'd say it's more like poor frame pacing is byproduct of them addressing other, more pressing things that they do care about.