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Developers also share how adaptive triggers and haptic feedback provide new game experiences on PS5.
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I think Sony has been pretty clear what it is and how it's different from other controllers.
The problem is nobody has gotten the chance to use the controller. If it wasn't for Covid that wouldn't be the case. Sony would have been at events like Comic Con this past July and had the controller there for everyone to use.
yeah i see flick stick is good for twitchy shooters, but i think games like TLOU etc prob can go with the motion aim, but hell add it all for all i care lol.
or weapon overheats, and then trigger is locked until it cools down.
One very cool thing devs can implement with adaptive triggers: hair triggers. Switch an option and now it blocks the triggers after a very short travel, effectively turning the triggers into digital-ish buttons.
Well, this is not something that you can show during a video. They were planing to have a lot of events to showcase this, which of course can't be the case anymore. Once you hold one, you'll feel the difference in seconds.
Okay people need to stop confusing stuff.
The whole DualSense has haptic feedback which is the newest in vibration tech (for a controller). On top of that: the triggers are adaptive. Which means devs can ad resistance into them. Examples: pulling a bow string, jamming weapons, swinging a heavy blade feeling more heavy than a light and quick sword, a light pistol needing a smaller squeeze than a heavy shotgun etc.
The whole DualSense has haptic feedback which is the newest in vibration tech (for a controller). On top of that: the triggers are adaptive. Which means devs can ad resistance into them. Examples: pulling a bow string, jamming weapons, swinging a heavy blade feeling more heavy than a light and quick sword, a light pistol needing a smaller squeeze than a heavy shotgun etc.
The effects in Spiderman sound very interesting, especially the directionality of the force. Being able to sense from which side the danger comes could be a gamechanger. No more looking at the screen to see the HUD warning signs or relying on Atreus to start yelling.
For console gaming of course. These features should still be of interest to PC games if they want to use a DS on PC but not sure if they will be fully utilized?
No the initial backlash was because everyone wanted to use their spare DS4 for say co-op and how all these new features weren't gonna be used so why force the Dual Sense?(Look back, "anti-consumer" was being thrown like candy) Then later we got a thread about accessibility concerns which to me had more valid point for disabled gamers.
I must've only seen or remember the second thread then. I agree with you on the first thread, I don't think Sony's trying to pull a fast one on consumers and make huge bank on controllers.
Sorry if I was not very clear, I was asking about the haptic feedback feature. Do you know if the Xbox Series X does have something similar?
I hope we have enough whiskey for when all these Scotsmen finally show up.
'We'll have more to share in the coming weeks. Keep your eyes peeled.'
Coming weeks suggests to me it shouldn't be too long before we hear more.. Fingers crossed we will hear something before the end of August!
Coming weeks suggests to me it shouldn't be too long before we hear more.. Fingers crossed we will hear something before the end of August!
Mean while every games I played it's just a huge extra map button, what's the point of "touch"
Eh if you think "rumbling" has more potential than actual physical trackpad then ok I guess
I'm fairly certain it still uses the same rumble tech as this gen.
The new Xbox controller is basically feature comparible with the old one. Other than the share button. It's largely the same controller.
Having said that, the Xbox controller has always had more rumble functionality than the DualShock (due to it's Impulse triggers) so, at worst, it's still pretty good. Absolutely not as advanced as the DualSense in terms of feedback, still more advanced than the DualShock was. I guess the hope would be that if devs start playing around with some kind of trigger feeback on the DualSense they can warrant using the Xbox's Impulse Triggers a bit more too, as they were woefully underused this gen.
This is all very cool and I'm dying to try it out.
But I honestly hope there is a system wide way to turn it off because if I'm playing Battlefield 6 for more 3 hours I really don't want to force my fingers every time I pull the trigger.
I'm getting old and I haven't developed carpal tunnel syndrome yet and sure as hell don't want to get it from my dual sense.
But I honestly hope there is a system wide way to turn it off because if I'm playing Battlefield 6 for more 3 hours I really don't want to force my fingers every time I pull the trigger.
I'm getting old and I haven't developed carpal tunnel syndrome yet and sure as hell don't want to get it from my dual sense.
So Sony again takes a cue from Nintendo, this time with enhanced rumble? I really enjoy it, so this is a good move!
Pretty sure haptics should use less power than a tradtional motor rumble.
I don't know if you are exaggerating or not but I certainly have touched the touchpad in more ways than a simple click.
Just like rumble , this should have a toggle in settings. Especially for multiplayer.
This does sound pretty interesting. Curious to know how it really feels. And the longevity or durability of the feature.
I was under the impression that it was all haptics, like the Switch Pro Controller?
But are they the same thing, or even similar? I don't think they are, so I don't think that DualSense's trigger usage will necessarily increase the Xbox controller's.
They're not the same thing at all, no. But you can see an easy correlation with 'we've put some trigger feedback in the DualSense for when you reload etc' to 'also use the Impulse Trigger for trigger feedback'.
The Impulse triggers seem very much like a simple, binary thing and shouldn't require a great deal of imagination to make them spin up when reloading or when your tires slip etc. But this generation they were just largely ignored. The same things that would give basic feedback on a PS4 controller gave the same basic feedback on an Xbox controller in a lot of third party games. The rumble triggers didn't even activate.
I'm not saying that I think devs will be creating similar feedback on both controllers all of a sudden. They can't, the tech is different. But knowing that both controllers can give some feedback this generation may mean that they both get used more rather than the one that has this unique feature getting mostly forgotten.
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The xbox controller uses the old rotating mass system, both on the trigger and in the controller. All it can do is shake the mass on and off. It's the oldest rumble system.
The nintendo system is much better with dual resonant frequencies so it can do a range of about 300Hz to 800Hz, but it's a very small mass so a very small force.
The DS5 seems to use a voice coil moving mass, so in theory it can do a wider range of frequencies and a more significant amount of force than the nintendo system. We have no point of reference for this.
The adaptative trigger can vary the resistance of the spring. There's also nothing similar anywhere to compare.
The nintendo system is much better with dual resonant frequencies so it can do a range of about 300Hz to 800Hz, but it's a very small mass so a very small force.
The DS5 seems to use a voice coil moving mass, so in theory it can do a wider range of frequencies and a more significant amount of force than the nintendo system. We have no point of reference for this.
The adaptative trigger can vary the resistance of the spring. There's also nothing similar anywhere to compare.
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This sounds really similar to the rumble in the joycons. Interested to see how it compares. The joycon rumble got a lot of hype initially, and there are some games that make great use of it, but in most games (imo) it's pretty standard. I'd guess the same will be true for the PS5 rumble but we shall see how it plays out.
We should really, really stop talking about the Switch LRA-based HD Rumble as "haptics". It just confuses the matter. The whole field of touch-based feedback is haptics.
DS5 will have VCA based rumble. It's kinda like the JoyCons, but better, stronger. It won't have rumble motors because it won't need them, VCAs can do everything ERMs can do but better.
DS5 will have VCA based rumble. It's kinda like the JoyCons, but better, stronger. It won't have rumble motors because it won't need them, VCAs can do everything ERMs can do but better.
Hopefully! I worry about this because after playing FFXIV for hours during the quarantine I had some nasty cramps on my index fingers from holding the trigger for extended periods of time.
I actually had to stop playing for more than a week to get it to pass. Never had this issue before and I'm not a stranger to gaming marathons
I think a dev talked about it already (not in this article). I think it was about a FPS.
Saddly, end of August is the coming week. Coming weeks, for me, is at least 2 weeks. So nothing before the 4th September.
People say its great on Switch, but it didn't feel all that good to me so I turned it off to increase battery life. I foresee the same thing happening with DualSense. Rumble and haptics have never done much for me. The 3D audio is the more interesting addition that I can't wait to check out.
Physical illustration of the above post, shamelessly stollen.
Xbox One/ Series X Rumble/triggers ERM motor same as those used since the first DualShock came out in 1997.
DualSense Adaptive trigger
Nintendo Switch LRA
DualSense : Example of a Voice Coil Actuator
While they all fall under the same haptics feedback category, they are not all the same. Especially the Xbox One controllers which still use ERM motors.
I don't blame people for being confused, as we've not really seen anything like these triggers before (in a home console). Adaptive/resistive triggers are a pretty big departure!
think I wasn't clear enough, when I say "rumble" = vibration motors in the controller's grips. "haptics" is just because it offers more granularity and details than the simple vibrations we have today. But the Dualsense doesn't only have those in the grips, it also have it in the triggers (and buttons as well ?), which is why I said "in addition" ;) So if they add more motors, the power drain is bigger as well. Hence my question about knowing what will be the battery life with all these motors in action.