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Despite its shortcomings, FF7 Remake has some magical moments

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Was FF7 Remake perfect? No. Was it a masterpiece? No. Was it amazing? Still no, but, despite having some really low points (jfc how many forced slow walks can one game have) the game had some incredible highs that really captured the magic of the original.

Some of my favorite moments:

Honey Bee Inn: Cloud's dance sequence was just...as a queer gamer, I don't think I've ever experienced a moment in gaming so unapologetic in its ally ship for LGBT gamers. What could have been an offensive disaster quite literally moved me to tears. (Almost enough to forgive them for being so cowardly with Fang and Vanille...almost!)

Character writing: Incredible. You really do care for these characters, more so than you have for a cast in years. I think Tifa was exceptionally written. To me, she felt the most real. I think the remorse she experienced was so nuanced. Her relationship with Cloud was also A+. Love isn't a straight path from meeting to someone to falling in love with them, and I'm glad their relationship is complex and confusing and beautiful.

Shinra Building: Of all the locales, this felt the most like my childhood imagination come to life. It felt like an actual office building and not some video game level.

JENOVA: When the fight first started I was like, "Hmm okay well, it's a new game and they took some creative liberties. I can't just expect everything from the old game to come back..." but then when the JENOVA theme finally kicks in during the third phase...NUT!

Edit: Just to be clear, I thought it was a great game and I really enjoy playing it. Final Fantasy is one of my favorite series, always will be :)
 
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Quinton

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I genuinely do think it's amazing, actually, but I'm glad you've enjoyed much of what I treasure about it, at least! The character writing is phenomenal and I agree wholeheartedly re: Honey Bee Inn. :)
 

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Honestly, it was better than I had hoped for. I expected it to be kinda a mess, but it ended up being a solid entry point for a new saga so I'm glad.
 
asd202

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Yeah it's not perfect by any means but the highs were rocket sky high for me. Best FF for me since X.
 
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Cascadero

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It was a terrific attempt to remake the first part of the story, in spite of some of the well documented issues with the game. I really enjoyed my playthrough.
 
MaitreWakou

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It's at its best when it's a non stop action rpg. Chapter 4 to 7 included are just incredible, especially 5 to 7, a long, intense, and epic mission to destroy the reactor. 8 to 14 was really boring to me.
Rarely a game made me go from "holy shit this thing is amazing, what the fuck is that pacing, it just never stops !" to "I'm so bored"
But the combat system, and my love for the whole section of Midgar in the original made me continue, and with a first third of the game that intense, it was obvious that end would be similar. And I was right and I'm glad that I sticked with it. What a fucking epic climax.
Best climax of the gen along with Splatoon 2 Octo Expansion.

Hope that the sequel, that has to be more open, will succeed to make the open sections more fun than in part 1, those were by fare the least fun parts of the game.
 
Dank Lotion

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Maybe I'm nuts or it might be the fact that I haven't connected with a JRPG in ages but... I think it's a masterpiece. It actually improved upon some iconic characters and I absolutely loved the gameplay. Music was top notch too. A little too much filler for my taste but I liked the gameplay enough to not care about that too much.

And like the OP mentioned, the Honey Bee Inn chapters could've been a trainwreck. The fact that they made a somewhat problematic scenario in the original and made it SO unapologetically queer was just... *chef kiss*

And that simulation room detailing the history of the Cetra was breathtaking. Can't wait to see what they add for the sequels.
 
Lockheartilly9799

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Thanks for sharing, OP. I'm glad you had fun with the game. I do think it's a masterpiece but I appreciate you coming to us with your opinion without trying to make people who love the game feel bad for doing so. Much love.
 

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Yeah it's got some great scenes, the iconic scenes were done so well with love and care that I felt pretty emotional seeing them again.

out of the new scenes I loved the Aerith/Marlene scene in sector 7 and how it paid off on the flower she gives to Cloud in chapter 2. There's so many little character moments that really round out the crew.
 
N.47H.4N

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Agree with you OP,the game didn't delivered the hype for me,a lot of flaws,but has great moments and qualities.
 
Quinton

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Dank Lotion said:
Maybe I'm nuts or it might be the fact that I haven't connected with a JRPG in ages but... I think it's a masterpiece. It actually improved upon some iconic characters and I absolutely loved the gameplay. Music was top notch too. A little too much filler for my taste but I liked the gameplay enough to not care about that too much.

And like the OP mentioned, the Honey Bee Inn chapters could've been a trainwreck. The fact that they made a somewhat problematic scenario in the original and made it SO unapologetically queer was just... *chef kiss*

And that simulation room detailing the history of the Cetra was breathtaking. Can't wait to see what they add for the sequels.
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It's pretty dang close to masterpiece status for me! There are a handful of small aspects which combine to weaken the magic just a tad but on a personal level it's definitely a 10.
 
Rats

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I have my qualms with it on the whole, but it undoubtedly reaches the highest highs in the history of the franchise. No Final Fantasy world has ever felt so lived-in, and no Final Fantasy characters have ever felt so much like real people.

It's understandably lacking in scope, so it's hard for me to consider it one of my top FFs, but I'm incredibly excited to see where it goes next. Part 2 has true GOAT potential, depending on how ambitious they are.
 
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asd202 said:
Yeah it's not perfect by any means but the highs were skyrocket high for me. Best FF for me since X.
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Pretty much this.

Its has some issues, but they are tolerable imo. (and sometimes understandable)
BUT, the highs are HOLY FUCKING SHIT good, never I expected Squareenix to hit those so clearly and exceptionally as they did.
 
Truly Gargantuan

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Its been a very long time since I've been so emotionally invested in a video game story. That first playthrough was a magical experience that I'll never forget. The madmen over at Square actually did it, against all odds.
The New Game+ playthrough makes the flaws so much more apparent that made me lower my opinion of the game. But man... I can never take away what that first run did for me.
 
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I've never had a game make me happier or emotionally resonant with more than FFVIIR.
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It's actually incredible how much this damn game rung my spirit. I didn't think it was possible, especially with all the core gameplay changes, but I think this hit my nostalgia bone more than a 1:1 remake would have.
 
pleaseinsertdisctwo

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The game has lots of little things that annoy me but I don't give a rat's derrière at the end of the day.

It's an amazing game and it deserves to sell 20 million+
 
Fat4all

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Listai

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That's what the game is to me; a series of incredible moments connected by a really mediocre game.
 
Voke

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It's definitely one of my favorite games of the gen, and up there with my favorite FF titles (never thought I'd ever say that about a new square game) I was smiling ear to ear until the credits rolled.
 
Astral

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I had the exact same thoughts about Jenova. My god did that get me hyped. The entire second half of chapter 17 and the first of 18 were my favorite moments in the game aside from chapter 9 (tournament and sidequests not included). I was smiling from ear to ear the entire time.
 
Babadook

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Was FF7 Remake perfect? No.

Was it a masterpiece? Yup.

Was it amazing? Absolutely.
 
Zukkoyaki

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I absolutely thought it was amazing. It revived the deep love I once had for the Final Fantasy IP. A rare case of a video game that made me genuinely happy while I was playing.
 
WhtR88t

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I loooooved the ending battle. And they nailed the Honeybee Inn. With the exception of some of the texture issues it ran flawlessly too.
 
Vinc

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Quinton said:
I genuinely do think it's amazing, actually, but I'm glad you've enjoyed much of what I treasure about it, at least! The character writing is phenomenal and I agree wholeheartedly re: Honey Bee Inn. :)
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100% this. I was blown away by it, but I'm glad even those who didn't feel as strongly about it still got something out of it :)
 
Alastor3

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You can say it's not perfect or a masterpiece, but you can't say it's not amazing. Even me, a player who barely touched ff7 original, crisis core and the movie, enjoyed the game very much and know that everything was made with love and you see it
 
Arklite

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The high notes of FF7R are astronomically high.

With the amount of care that they placed on each of OPs examples (and many more) I think it easily qualifies as amazing.
 
Riversands

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It is actually pretty good. If it were an original new ff storyline, it would be praised for sure
 
skillzilla81

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Definitely a masterpiece for me.

High five moment with Aerith was amazing.

So many times the game made me smile.
 
Radium217

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The fact it's better than people expected is a feat all its own considering the hype. It is amazing imo. Rare that I've seen production value this high outside of ND and Rockstar. It's high even by Final Fantasy standards.
 
KeyChainDude

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The game is pretty awesome, they hit it out of the park with the combat and characters.

I'm sure they will polish the rough edges for the next part to be even better!
 
youwei

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thank you OP for the positive thread towards the remake =] as compared to the other negative/ranting threads
 
X-Factor

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I was majorly let down with FF13 & FF15.

FF7 Remake is amazing. I had low expectations going in due to FF15, FF13 trilogy.
 
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