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Demon's Souls won't support RayTracing
- Thread starter Raigor
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I think it's a bit misguided to say that RT is not a big deal when we don't know what the game would look like if it had RT lighting
It's also not dynamic. With raytracing you could show that same scene at any time of the day.
Kind of shows that the current ray tracing enhancements are overrated, because imo the game is the best looking next-gen game right now.
If I have the choice between ray tracing and 60 fps, I'm always going to choose 60 fps. Good, faked lighting / reflections is simply good enough.
Just look at Uncharted 4 or TLOU II:
This baked static lighting, Demon's souls have dynamic lighting.
Fully dynamic lighing (direct, indirect, shadows) does not need raytracing. Some approximation like Lumen in Unreal can exist or what they were doing before adding mesh raytracing to complement the Crytek engine.
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O M GWhen your game looks like this, and runs at 60fps, I could care less about raytracing.
Ah lawd he comin'
its best looking game around currently, fact it has no ray-tracing doesnt appear to be holding it back.
When your game looks like this, and runs at 60fps, I could care less about raytracing.
There hasn't been an animation I love as much in gaming since this. That shuffle is to dream for.
He comin! Dat boy rung his bell and he' coming!
I think mesh raytracing will be used sparsly and complement other dynamic GI/reflection lighting.
This seems to work out just fine for Bluepoint. Ambitious performance targets and ray tracing don't exactly go hand in hand on consoles. Makes me wonder what kind of trickery Polyphony will pull off to get GT7 running at 4K/60 fps with ray tracing or rather which area they are most likely to compromise.
The lighting is fully dynamic if they use SVOGI for example it will not run on PS4. Same unreal engine 5 can't run on PS4. You don't need RT to have a PS4 version difficult to do probably a big port like The Witcher 3 on Switch.
Eh, its not like we are missing out on anything. Everything we have see so far is from the performance mode and it already looks like the best thing this year.
Yup, kudos to Bluepoint for listenting.
The game looks amazing at 60fps.
Kind of shows that the current ray tracing enhancements are overrated, because imo the game is the best looking next-gen game right now.
If I have the choice between ray tracing and 60 fps, I'm always going to choose 60 fps. Good, faked lighting / reflections is simply good enough.
Just look at Uncharted 4 or TLOU II:
It pays to remember yet again that in a static environment featuring static time of day, the lighting artists can fine tune every aspect of it (shadows and their fidelity, AO) because there is no risk of change to lighting conditions within the environment. It is why even games like HZD, which features dynamic ToD, interpolate between similarly baked lighting solutions to simulate said dynamism. The problem of typical light probes generally affects people the worst -which is why, in aforementioned HZD, when the game switches to "dialog" mode, it incorporates additional lights which, while offer much needed depth the characters, can be inconsistent with the ambient lighting. RT based GI (something that should be more common place by the time next gen rolls around) would unify all lighting under one source (or sources consistent with lighting in the scene) and affect all objects (static and dynamic) appropriately.
Thankfully, the "lumen" aspect of UE V is that interstitial compromise. From Eurogamer:
I want to see how it affects moving deformable characters like people and wonder whether this gen, we can finally (mostly) move past issues like incorrectly lit character models (like the following):
Etc and many more.
Dictator's examples of what RT brings to the table is as relevant as ever.
I would've loved if there was raytraced reflections, however the game has real-time lighting so I'm happy.
To be honest I'd rather have dynamic 4K for every title combined with 60fps instead of RT and 30fps
I thought it was literally a marketing point that the 30FPS mode has ray tracing for this game and spiderman miles.
What?
What?
When your game looks like this, and runs at 60fps, I could care less about raytracing.
4K/HDR on my OLED..... All at 60fps. On my £350 console. Keep your RT, HDR in this game will pop like mad.
Quarter resolution raytracing plus temporal injection I'm thinking.
Not really, it seemed like they gave a perfectly sensible response in the OP as to why there is no RT, it has nothing to do with hitting 60fps.
Yeah this lighting is insane. And mind you this is at a locked 60 fucking FPSWhen your game looks like this, and runs at 60fps, I could care less about raytracing.
It's weird, because even when I'm sure it really can't compare, in my mind Bloodborne looked like this.When your game looks like this, and runs at 60fps, I could care less about raytracing.
ERA confuses me sometimes
I see Ray Tracing touted all the time as a massive innovation next gen will bring that everyone is excited before
I come in this thread: "game already looks so good, didn't even notice. It doesnt need it"
I hope this energy is kept for all games going forward, because I feel the same way and didn't really think too many other people did
I see Ray Tracing touted all the time as a massive innovation next gen will bring that everyone is excited before
I come in this thread: "game already looks so good, didn't even notice. It doesnt need it"
I hope this energy is kept for all games going forward, because I feel the same way and didn't really think too many other people did
What is even the point of RT. We are not even at the start of the gen but it feels like devs would rather get more details in and other things that push the hardware. Does raytracing maybe save devs time? Or maybe only use it for certain aspects of lighting. But if that's the case then i don't get all the hype behind it.
Nah I couldn't care less about 60fps. Easy sacrifice for something like RT or even 4K.
I won't say, "it didn't need RT," because every game can benefit from it, but I had a feeling it wasn't going to have it. Literally the only time it was EVER mentioned in an official capacity was in the first PS Blog post about it, as a blurb in an article with blurbs about all the games presented in the June showcase. I knew they would have mentioned it more if they had it.
That being said, this doesn't make the game look less incredible. It's still clearly a more visually impressive game than, say, Miles Morales (a title that DOES have ray-tracing). Making a game look next-gen is about more than just ray-tracing. In this game's case, they went with hugely detailed geometry with liberal amounts of tesselation, and combined it was incredibly well-done post-processing effects, lighting, and shadows.
That being said, this doesn't make the game look less incredible. It's still clearly a more visually impressive game than, say, Miles Morales (a title that DOES have ray-tracing). Making a game look next-gen is about more than just ray-tracing. In this game's case, they went with hugely detailed geometry with liberal amounts of tesselation, and combined it was incredibly well-done post-processing effects, lighting, and shadows.
I like era going from can't tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps to true 4k is waste of resource, and now RT doesn't matter.
I don't think anyone's saying it doesn't matter, but would the performance hit be worth it when the game looks this good already (and running at 60fps)?
When ever you see hyperbole it's usually more in the middle. Ray tracing is wonderful but it depends on what tradeoffs you will get to achieve it also in a game like demon's souls it's benefits may not be a massive gain For what you lose.